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    • June 5, 2009 at 4:30 pm #106259
      formants
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      Hello,

       my question is: can I shift formants separately from pitchshifting with an Eventide 8000FW? (In the wayI can do it with Melodyne (http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=358) elastique (http://www.zplane.de/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=31&cntnt01origid=39&cntnt01returnid=92)  I have to do it in real time. Tha's why the software doesn't work for me. Does someone know about it. I had a EventideDSP 4000and it couldn't do the job.

       Thans for help

      "Eventides Ultrashifter formant-maintaining pitch shifter optimized for the human voice."  Can I do it separately???!!! Or another machine?

    • June 5, 2009 at 4:38 pm #118691
      IDeangelis
      Member

       Hello

      it sounds a bit unclear to me what exactly you need to do.

      Normally you don't pitch shift formants; they happen to be the peculiar physical aspects a phonetic media overimposes on the sound it generates. When you pitch shift such sound, the formant_accurate pitch shifter should calculate the correct formant at different pitches so that the sound remains "loyal" to its character over the shift range, avoiding chipmunks artifacts.

      Could you explain what exactly is t he task you are looking into?

      thanks

      I

    • June 5, 2009 at 5:40 pm #118692
      formants
      Participant

      In the
      software "Melodyne" and the "elastique" you have the option to shift
      pitch and to shift formans. Formants shifting in a – direction makes
      the sound more muffled if you add more formants the sound becomes more
      treble high quality. I do not how to explane it better. I totally
      understand your mentioned aspect:

      different pitches so that the sound remains "loyal" to its character over the shift

      But for me the nice thing was to be able to play with the density of the sound.

      So if Eventide has calculation (with the Ultrashifter)I was hoping that
      there is a way to have the possibility to calculate those formants
      fluently….

      http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.musicmarketing.ca/products/images/melodyne_plugin2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicmarketing.ca/products/melodyne_plugin.asp&usg=__lfVox09K1AqxOYmMo9mz0zban2w=&h=362&w=600&sz=30&hl=de&start=11&um=1&tbnid=xo8H8TkDq3RSCM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmelodyne%2Bl%2Bformant%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

      Thanks for trying to help

      Am Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:40:00 -0400

       schreib IDeangelis <bounce-IDeangelis@eventide.com>:

      Hello

      it sounds a bit unclear to me what exactly you need to do.

      Normally you don't pitch shift formants; they happen to be the peculiar
      physical aspects a phonetic media overimposes on the sound it
      generates. When you pitch shift such sound, the formant_accurate pitch
      shifter should calculate the correct formant at different pitches so
      that the sound remains "loyal" to its character over the shift range,
      avoiding chipmunks artifacts.

      Could you explain what exactly is t he task you are looking into?

      thanks

      I —

      View this message online at: http://forum.eventide.com/cs/forums/p/5504/23376.aspx#23376

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    • June 5, 2009 at 5:50 pm #129796
      IDeangelis
      Member

      UltraShifter is mostly a voice dedicated shifter. It allows both automatic calculation of correct formants in relation to pitch shifting and manual adjustments too.

      If you are trying to venture to more uncharted directions it may not be the proper tool for you. I can only advice you test the unit and check if it's useful to your needs. 

      kind regards

      I

    • June 5, 2009 at 6:02 pm #118694
      formants
      Participant

       thank you. It is kind tuff to see a gear in realtime…. I have to find a store and listen….

    • June 10, 2009 at 11:02 pm #118717
      richardt
      Participant

      There are some presets in my Orville which allow formant shifting withour changing the pitch. I'm sure those presets are also in the 8000 but I can't remember which ones they are at the moment (1000+ presets to go through to find them).

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