lead poem question

Hi John

the Virtual Racks/MIDI Virtual Racks presets have all dry sound in them. If you read the INFO menupage of Lead Tone Poem preset, it says to set dry/wet on 100% wet. Very likely you have your H7600 signal managed in parallel to your preamp dry signal…so 2 instances of the same signal, analog dry + digital dry (7600), are causing the phasing issue. To use these presets you need to remove the analog dry signal and let the H7600 provide both of them, keeping its FX balance on 100% wet.

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Incorrect. You should do exactly what I said:

-set the unit to 100%wet

-remove the parallel analog signal from your preamp

this is so because the Virtual Racks/MIDI Virtual Racks Bank presets have the DRY sound internally, going straignt from I to O. This is NOT managed by the system dry/wet balance.

When we created these presets the decision to keep the dry within the algorithm was owed to 2 good resons:

-presets that have a wah/wah or/and filter/eq or/and tremolo or/and compressor should be always have the dry sound in series, because that's what is processed by such typically in_series fx.

-the Eventide DSP/H series has such a terrific sounding conversion and input headroom that there is practically no audible difference between a digital dry sound and the original analog one.

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John

there seems to be some confusion here.

First off, the problem of "phased" sound (comb filtering is what happens) is *not* owed to overdriven/distorted sound. It's simply a matter of mixing any two instances of the same sound. They overlap and tend to cancel common frequencies, somehow. If one of the instances is then a digital one, it has some inherent delay owed to A/D + D/A conversion and other delay added by FX. This delay changes the way the "phasing" issue is perceived, but it's still there. Sometimes it can also be an interesting FX.

(on this subject, I find VERY, VERY interesting to use MICRODELAY, with settings lower than 1 millisecond, to get very special EQ on distorted sounds. The canceling of common frequencies of the 2 overlapping frequencies can be managed by very short time delay to fine tune a "dominant" sonic character in the gtr tone. It's a very refined tecnique….but this is another story).

Secondly, the H7600 manages dry/wet balance at system level, as you already know. BUT…being a totally open platform, an algorithm/preset can be designed to have a dry path in it (and even a level control for it). Obviously any signal path in the algorithm should be considered as part of the "wet" portion only of the system output. So if a dry sound is present in an algorithm, the unit should be used in full wet balance to avoid phase canceling. This is true of a very, very small number of presets and is always understandable from the presets' INFO menupage.

Your questions:

1- you won't get any phasing issue as long as you don't use dry sound from your preamp + dry sound inherent to a preset, as explained above. When using the Virtual racks presets, the solution is very simple: program the Switchblade to cut off the dry feeds and listen to the H7600 alone, in 100% wet mode. When going back to presets having no dry sound in the algorithm, just enable the preamp feeds again.

2- I don't understand what you mean by "module" in your question. But the phasing issue is not related to a "module" (?). It's caused by the way a preset is designed. You could even modify algorithms with our Vsigfile editor to remove the dry sound.

3- I believe this is explained by my points above.

4- always better feeding the Harmonizer with a line level (+4dB) signal.

The Switchblade is perfect for *ANY* mixing task. It only requires a clean vison of the signal path and the used FX in it.

Not clear to mehow your rig is made and routed…..nor why would you use 4 speakers! Dry signal is mono anyway!

You could simply use 2 with the appropriate mix or a 3 speakers setup, with "always dry" cabinet in the center and the 2 stereo ones for "only wet" on the sides….but it will require you to program the Switchblade accordingly when using these special Virtual Racks presets…or use Vsigfile to remove the dry path from them.

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John

that's good! A clean start is what we need.

If you have a dry sound and an FX in parallel to it, you will get "phasing" ONLY if the FX has a dry sound copy (of the parallel dry one) in it.

I have gone thru so many rigs and equipment in the last 25 years and fond that the easy solution working for me is….simple.

Split the signal from the preamp in two lines

Send one directly to the mixer (the Switchblade in your case) and send it UNTOUCHED to the power amp/speakers. This is what you mom and dad worked so hard for!

Send the other part of the split signal to the FX processor and connect its outputs to the mixer (SwBlade for you)

Mono DRY and stereo WET are now in parallel! Keep the H7600 on 100% wet.

Any time you need a MIDI Virtual Rack preset, just program the Switchblade to MUTE/KILL/KAPUTT the parallel dry from the preamp. The H7600 is SO good you won't hear any difference. This is also true for any preset that has effects that should typically be used IN SERIES, rather than IN PARALLEL, like compression, Eq, wah-wah, tremolo.

So…simply…keep the signals in parallel and mute the dry whenever the FX preset has dry in it and/or has IN SERIES fx.

Now vacations in a beautiful greek island would be much nicer!

ccheers

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John

the reasons why these presets have dry soun in them:

-you may be very surprised at how many people own (and spend $$$/€€€) great guitars/amps/preamps/FX units and have no clue about/will to use splitters/mixers/routers. It's amazing but it's real. So a dry sound helps.

-the quality of the A/D-D/A conversion is so high that there is no audible difference between analog and digital dry. I have tested many units on this and the Orville/H7600/H8000 are the only FX processors capable of this.

-many virtual racks have compression/eq/Wah/tremolo in them. These FX must be put in series, not in parallel. So a dry sound must go thru the whole algorithm.

-sometimes the complexity of these structures and the order of fx require the presence of dry sound. A chorus after a mod delay needs dry sound to be…a chorus.

We could have added a dry kill function in the presets…problem is that they are so big…over the verge of not running…so some cuts were necessary.

For the "evolved" guitarist it shouldn't be a problem though as a programmable router (such as yours) does the trick…or editing the preset in Vsigfile allows the user to remove the dry path at will.

Holdsworth.

When it comes to Allan's tone, my friend, there's little you can do. I have met the man several times and discussed tone and gear for hours. His distortion tone, besides his heavenly touch, comes from a load box put on an overdriven amp speaker output. HE builds this device and change it very often, experimenting with different capacitors for tonal coloration. The man is a maniac!

The H8000  is not really designed to work in this area, unless you know how to put together an algorithm that tries to accomplish this in some way. Allan's distorted sound has little fx on it, just a bit of delay, that's it. A great work on eq may come close, but you need to use your gear as speakers, cabinets, amps…may sound so different. Any suggestion in settings is simply vain.

The fx on his clean sound are another story. Allan's last chorusing (and settings) are available in the H8000. I believe in the 7600 too. There's a preset called "Allan Chorus". 8 voice chorus done with his "numerology" values and used structure. Won't name the product but it's NOT the same sound he used to get earier with 3 different couples of digital delays.

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John

as I said effects proceesors don't make Allan's tone. In addition to this, I work with a very different setup, avoiding guitar gear in general. So anything I's do will sound completely different thru your gtr gear.

You should sit with the unit and try to tweak any parametric equalizer preset and add dome slight delay to it, if you think the Eventide is wghat should give you THAT tone. Personally I won't even try, given the facts I explained about his tone.

Your amp (if it's a good one) could provide holdswortish or krantz (one of my long ago teachers) tones…close to them at least. An eq could help refining things a bit.

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