Eventide Rose

This one looks like an expanded Lexicon Prime Time /PCM 42, vintage EHX 16 Second Delay.
It’s got the most important features of the DDL-500 so it is a dream come true.
I’ll be getting one sooner or later without a doubt.
That said, I’m hoping for an “all black edition” or something like that.
I suppose there’s some sort of compander in the delay path, am I wrong? Perhaps some limiting? Soft sat? Or any type of saturation is possible cranking the feedback? May be the LPF gets dirty when doing so?
It’s a promesing all purpose/no limits modulated DDL, including degenerative looper, variable sample rate style fx machine (pitch shifting, square modulation etc), clean and dirty delays, envelope flanging/combs, true vibrato, vinyl/tape warp, accel&stop fx…

I’m only going to miss a feedback fx loop. I’ve seen it in analog delays, which is a bit nonsense to me, but in a long digital delay with analog feedback, that’s a dream feature I’ve used to achieve many tricks in digital patchtable units. Specially since you can bypass those fx and apply them subtly, only in certain moments, etc.

I also wonder whether the Tap Tempo allows for long times so you can use it to tap the start and end of a loop. Then switch between Hold and regular feedback to achieve degradation at will.

This Rose evoques Eno/Lanois, Fripp, David Torn, Radiohead and many more to me.

Seems like a really cool pedal!!
Only 5 presets (10 with AB) is very little for a pedal with so many options.

Tim, any chance of an aux + exp mode similar to the H9’s in a future update? I can easily see that you’d want instant access to, for example, Infinite Repeat and Mod Hold while still being able to dial in feedback with a pedal.

I’m happy to say that we shipped Roses to all standing preorders on Friday, so those who preordered should be getting them any day now. 

We’re going to spend this week shipping out as many units as we can to the distribution channel (and hopefully any further orders that come in through the website as well ) so you should start seeing them available for order/purchase soon (I’m not as familiar with the timing of that end of the business).

So, it’s on.  I’d be curious to hear any impressions from the early-adopter crowd.  Sure looks interesting to me; taking the time to look beyond the bare parameter list.  Lots of potential in that flowchart & control breakdown.

https://www.eventideaudio.com/products/stompboxes/delay/rose

Here’s one that I hadn’t seen before, with some new tidbits of information (for me).  I like the way that Christian walks through some of the processes, in a visual format.  He also previews some Factory presets.

https://youtu.be/4N2EN7A8CTA?t=14

Is there an AD / DA converter in the yellow line part (original signal)?

I have a question about the power requirements for the Rose. Would there be any issues powering it with a 450 MA outlet? I know the included PSU is 500 MA, just wondering if the Rose needs the full 500, or if 450 would suffice. Thanks!

Hey. I am intrigued by this pedal, it is a sleeper really. An aqcuired taste. But how much I’ve scorned Eventides sites and Gear whatever forum, I’ve never figured out if this pedal is – finally – one of those rare beasts that sports:

Sampe Rate Modulation ?

Because, when I read the sketchy user guide, and the signal diagram, the thought occured to me and I had an inkling. So is it ?

Only Lexicons early Prime Time, PCM-41, 42 from the late 70s early 80s had these, and belive me, if there’s one thing you can’t do with PC/Mac plugins and modeller it is this. The software that came out that mimicked these units were soundling like a joke. The difference from other modulated delays are that it changes the sampling rate of the delay, Giving pitch, time, length, in real-time, modulating it with a variety of waveforms. For example I could never ever get Pat Methenys chorus sound without any Lexicon (and Steve Morses either, later on). Why I don’t know… but I figured out this was about this. The other modulated delays are regular LFO swept detune modulations, and time modulated delays, and pre- post- modulated delays basically. While they sure have their merits too, of course, I find this very intriguing if this should be the case. Now, Lexicon and Pat Metheny chorus was in stereo though, but basically it’s something positively different to it, if it’s sample rate modulated.

So is it ?

For what it's worth, the Rose has 3 factors that have different effects on the delay time and/or sample rate:

1) Delay time setting (via the Delay knob or Tap Tempo).  This doesn't change the sample rate, only the number of samples in the delay line, so it doesn't make any difference the "fidelity" of the sound.  At the nominal sample rate of 100 kHz (with modulation and delay multiply off) you can get up to about 10 seconds of delay time, with no degradation in audio quality.

2) Delay multiply: This cuts the (actual) sample rate in half (or more, depending on the Delay multiply setting) while leaving the delay line the same length.  In effect, this also doubles the length of the delay time.  At its more extreme settings, this will start to degrade the sound a bit (we stop before it gets too bad ).

3) Modulation: This continuously varies the sample rate, also changing the delay time.  With delay multiply off, this goes from about half the nominal rate to double it, doing the opposite to the delay time.

Re. Tap Tempo, that’s a good idea.  I’m not sure what the current timeout is for the tap tempo, but we can definitely consider extending it to phrase length (again, if possible)

Any news about the Tap Tempo feature to splice in and out long loops on time accurately?

What’s the actual timeout for the tap button?

Since javiceres’ post, the TAP timeout has been increased to support long tap-times up to 15 sec.

Re. Tap Tempo, that’s a good idea.  I’m not sure what the current timeout is for the tap tempo, but we can definitely consider extending it to phrase length (again, if possible)

Any news about the Tap Tempo feature to splice in and out long loops on time accurately?

What’s the actual timeout for the tap button?

Since javiceres’ post, the TAP timeout has been increased to support long tap-times up to 15 sec.

That’s cool but the max delay time is 50 sec so iw ould appreciate to have the option of tapping accurate start and end of loops for playing sound in sound lines in live. Especially, to add a second Rose pedal to ,y rig and be able to play accurate counterpoints between both pedals in live.

Please Eventide give us the possibility to punch in the start and end if the delay by tapping on a switch..

thanks

Sampe Rate Modulation ?

So is it ?

I've found these 2 posts for you. I think your question is well answered there:

https://www.eventideaudio.com/comment/34970#comment-34970

https://www.eventideaudio.com/comment/36871#comment-36871

My understanding is you are talking about delays based on the Variable Sample Rate technique.

For what I know the Rose is precisely that.

Bear in mind though, that the sound character of every unit depends on more elements other than the aforementioned alone.
For instance, the Rose has way more dynamic range and way broather frequency response spectrum available.

That said:

1-It can operate at several selectable frequency response widths.

2-It has a true analog low pass filter (hi cut) that actuates on each repetition, gradually darkening the echoes. Including the first repetition

Older digital delays (including the VSR variety) relied on heavy analog processing to compensate for the shortcomings of the digital tech of the day.
AFAIK The Rose uses the same style of analog treatment but since it has modern digital specs (dynamic range/headroom, freq response) it shouldn’t play as big a role.

It’s a bit like same techniques and principles but with modern high end specs (more so for a pedal). I’d really really love to put it through its paces.

Sampe Rate Modulation ?

So is it ?

I’ve found these 2 posts for you. I think your question is well answered there:

https://www.eventideaudio.com/comment/34970#comment-34970

https://www.eventideaudio.com/comment/36871#comment-36871

Yes thank you very much!

Yes yes, thank you thank you, I knew it.VERY good to know. i’ve always wondered with all these tape emulations, Volante, and the like and the current trend to mimick old vintage tape delays, but digitally. But SANS the negatives. I’ve always wondered why no one has taken onto mimicking vintage analog delays, WITHOUT the negatives that came to it, short times, aliasing, lesser bandwidth and whatever. I think it is a good take on this, and fills a void actually.

But then again, not too many people have encountered the benefits of Lexicon PrimeTime, or PCM-41,42 and the like. So they never knew what they were missing. They were too expensive at the time. And Pat Metheny and Steve Morse may have been the only guitarists to use those expensive studio racks, as on stage effect gear at the time. They were mostly in the studio, residents, occasionally on FOH engineer PA effect racks but never used for instruments on stage as a one-trick-pony pedal. I do think MXR’s first rack time-machine was like that too, but can’t be sure about it.

OTOH I think 25 presets – now – together with the option of a exp pedal with different settings at heel and toe positions, makes it actually the A/B 50 “preset” that may come into good use.

Regarding 50 seconds tap tempo. That’s why I ALWAYS favored STRUM TEMPO. It works much better. TAP TEMPO with foot works the best in medium tempos, like a drummerd bass drum foot, but are impossible to NAIL if it gets shorter like 110 ms taps, or something like that. also, if the loop point or delay tap is largeer than 1-2 seconds, going over a few bars there’s a greater risk of missing with the foot, because it takes too long time, but with plucking hand pick, you can wait ages, but whenever you pluck it to nail the second tap, it’s dead on.

So, Foot taps, works mostly between medium-fast tempos. Strum taps works there too, but beats tap temp for shorter taps like slapback echos, or longer “frippertronics” length taps, above 2-3 seconds and above. You nail it much better with your picking hand or fingers. Dead on. And since this one can make 50 seconds, it’s made to use “ambient soundscapes” off.

Yeah yeah, of course, but anyway. Today’s nitpicking about which EP-3 tape modelling that is the best we’re always talking about the finer details that makes up a whole. For example. Although there are other things that may make up the whole, I quote from the other links of what Lexicon themself said:

“and we always liked something about the sound of sweeping the sample rate”

“we remember that there was something different about the sounds that those old non-standard pieces of gear created”

I e there is something to VSR or Sample Rate Modulation that brings its own flavor, that can’t be possible in any other way. There’s something to it if you modulate in great ranges, like from 50 ms up to 2 seconds. When it’s down at 50 ms and makes a turn the fidelity is higher (bandwidth) and as it goes up in 2 seconds the fidelity lessens, like the old gear did. Now, with Rose this has been solved in other ways, But still, there are something to VSR that gives a certain scent, vapor to the overall sound. And if you put on top those out there, wild extremes of self oscillation and such things, you can go places without having anything to hit the ceiling of digital headroom. This Rose can self-oscilate and go overboard.

(another topic, why ****** can’t one cut and paste text from other posts into here, or from anywhere else? Why must the forum be so 80s too, just leave that to the pedals?…;-))

I am so sorry for the major gaffe I made, and cursed in the church. Eventide. Eventide. Not Le***’. sorry. But partly due to the cumbersome and unweldy editing and typo corrections that are the trademarks of this forum.

I am so sorry for the major gaffe I made, and cursed in the church. Eventide. Eventide. Not Le***'. sorry. But partly due to the cumbersome and unweldy editing and typo corrections that are the trademarks of this forum.

No need to apologize. Lexicon made some great products and we've known some wonderful people who've worked there. We have nothing but respect for anyone who dedicates their careers to develop products that inspire creativity.