Thanks for the idea….So when I backed up my settings in Factor, I got 10 banks of Bogus Patch settings, which would NOT load ( Bad Load came back fro the TF…) Somebody mentioned this, and I remembered it, so I deleted them.

Since I had a confusing bunch of numbers, if I backed up my patches from Factor patch by patch, the irritating numbers left.

I will try what you said, and since you can exchange patches from documents, I 'll see if this woks….If not , I'll load my 20 from the saved thang. Letcha know if it works…