Sorry for the way delayed responce. Life and tendinitus got in the way of my guitar playing. Those sounds are close but not exactly what I am looking for. I've got the fuzz and distortion outside the space. I am pretty sure during the loveless era he was using a Marshall Shredmaster and or a lovetone Big cheese. The sound was originally made with a yamaha spx 90 with early reflections reverse gate reverb.  Here is a guy doing the sound i am looking for with a memory man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXuvDRSwN8&feature=youtube_gdata_player. The example starts at 3min 10 sec in. As you can hear it has a pretty intense racket ball type flutter. If this is possible and you can help I would be eternally grateful. I am gonna be pickintimesaver rest of the pedal line shortly.