H90 for a special Wet/Dry routing

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- July 26, 2023 at 11:28 am #172637
 
 ernestorossi
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 Hi everybody! I’m new here so, sorry in advance if I get something wrong.
 
 Just purchased a brand new h90 and I’m trying to squeeze it in my kinda non standard routing, I developed in the last years, that’s something in the middle between a stereo and a wet/dry setup (I know someone can say, it would be better a wet/dry/wet setup but I’m struggling to keep things simple).
 
 
 Here is the routing.
 
 
 I have a bunch of gain pedals like fuzz, boost, and so on, they follow one into each other in the good old styles, then the mono signal gets into a Strymon Deco, at that point I have a L and R output feeding a Strymon Cloudburst. From it L goes into a Fender amp on the edge of breackup with a little reverb and tremolo, and R into a Brunetti setted very clean.
 
 (For those whose familiar with, I have a Lehele stereo P-split for tackeling ground and phase issues).
 
 The sound is pounchy when Deco and Cloudburst are switched off, the system turns to a stereo like configuration when the Deco or the Coudburst kicks in, grasping those ambient moods.
 
 This was before the H90 hit my pedalboard and reverb and delays were running after the cloudburst, but now that I have my H90, the L and R from Deco gets into the H90. I wish to put my Cloudburst (stereo) in the inserts of the h90, so that I can recall it with presets.
 
 But here I have my doubts. 
 
 I thought at first to just leave everything in stereo, but have to admit that the sound I got didn’t impress me better than the wet/dry, I want my stereo-like setup just for some ambient moments, not at all times (why I prefer this way it’s a matter of personal taste I think, but for example, a dry/wet setup featuring a phaser on the wet amp, makes the whole system to sound like a huge stereo chorus which is in my opinion way better then a stereo chorus from a standard pedal).
 
 
 So… 
 
 I’m now switching from the H90 stereo setup to a dry/wet setup. According to the manual this should be done by inserting the guitar in the input 1 of h90, then wet and dry outputs should run in outputs 1 and 3 of the h90.
 
 But…
 
 Doing this I cannot run my R output from the Deco plugged into h90, or in this case it should go into input 2, isn’t it?
 
 Then what about the L/R coming from the Cloudburst I whish I can insert it in the two other inserts of the h90. Could be?
 
 I mean, if I run it as usual I suddenly come back to the stereo setup that I’m trying to escape.
 If I plug the L from my Deco where the R should go?
 
 If I plug the H90 out1 to the Fender Dry amp and the H90 out3 to the Brunetti Wet amp, I will have free for routing only in 2-4 and out 2-4. The manual lacks any information about a routing like that.
 
 Any suggestion about?
 
 Should I put the H90 in dual routing?
 
 Hope I explained myself, I know it can be confusing but I did my best.
 
 Thank you very much for your help.
- July 26, 2023 at 3:29 pm #172694
 
 joecozzi
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 Hi ernestorossi,
 
 ernestorossi wrote:
 
 Here is the routing. I have a bunch of gain pedals like fuzz, boost, and so on, they follow one into each other in the good old styles, then the mono signal gets into a Strymon Deco, at that point I have a L and R output feeding a Strymon Cloudburst. From it L goes into a Fender amp on the edge of breackup with a little reverb and tremolo, and R into a Brunetti setted very clean.
 
 Your signal flow as you’ve described is stereo and definitely not Wet/Dry. In a true W/D rig, there is absolutely no wet signal going to the dry amp and similarly, no dry signal going to the wet amp. In the configuration presented, both amps get a little of both. I’ve attached a picture of my interpretation of your setup. Let me know if I got it right.
 
 ernestorossi wrote:
 
 I thought at first to just leave everything in stereo, but have to admit that the sound I got didn’t impress me better than the wet/dry
 
 I am confused by what you consider the distinction between stereo and your interpretation of W/D is here. Can you elaborate the two different methods you’re connecting the H90 here?
 
 ernestorossi wrote:
 
 According to the manual this should be done by inserting the guitar in the input 1 of h90, then wet and dry outputs should run in outputs 1 and 3 of the h90.
 
 To clarify, Out 3 of the H90 should go to the front of the dry amp. Out 1 should go through the WET effects section, which should then go to the amp dedicated to wet effects. I’ve attached two images of a Pseudo W/D rig, and a true W/D rig for reference. In the True W/D rig, the wet effect should have Kill Dry set to ON.
 
 ernestorossi wrote:
 
 Doing this I cannot run my R output from the Deco plugged into h90, or in this case it should go into input 2, isn’t it? Then what about the L/R coming from the Cloudburst I whish I can insert it in the two other inserts of the h90. Could be?
 
 You have to make a decision here. In order to use the H90 for a true W/D rig, you need to use one of the inserts as a splitter. See attached images. Because of this you cannot run stereo insert effects; in other words, you cannot connect the Deco or Cloudburst in the H90’s effects chain with a stereo insert. You would have to keep your signal flow stereo and use the stereo insert of the H90 for your Strymon effects or split the Fuzz/Boost/OD signal with your Lehle splitter before the H90, take one side to the dry amp, and the other side to your wet effects which would include the H90 and Strymon pedals. But again, I am confused as to what you really want to do considering how you described your initial setup. Please check out the images I’ve attached.
 
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- July 26, 2023 at 6:11 pm #172704
 
 ernestorossi
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 Dear Joecozzi, you are really kind, I see you worked a lot to catch my smocky explanation, anyway you got it. I think I’m going to try the routing you suggested, (I like the parallel routing most). Moreover I think I can give you some further explanation about my way of thinking wet/dry and what I’ll like to achieve. You are also right, mine is not a proper wet/dry rig, hope I can clarify why I am not doing it right, as I know that it’s not “right”. What I am trying to obtain here is an “in the face” direct guitar tone (don’t want to call it dry channel) and a wet lush effect, but instead of having a 100% dry signal on one amp, and a 100% wet signal running in the other amp (proper W/D), I want retain some stereo image from both amps (so it’s stereo, but if it is“proper stereo”, don’t know, that’s why I call it hibrid w/d) I am trying to do it by having something like 80% direct guitar tone in one amp and a little (say 20% wet tone) on the direct/dry amp, which is the Fender. Flipside, I have my “wet” amp running 80/90% of wet tone but still retain a little direct sound. It dipends by the listening situation of the venue. Problem for me is that I play in a duo situation with a singer and I find that the stereo image of the guitar is somehow blurred, I need a stronger direct sound. I like the stereo image to fill the space around, but the guitar sound is in such a way too dull compared to the voice. Having one channel with a stronger direct sound I can get more punch and clear tone especially for rithmic parts. I know that having a real wet/dry the sound guy can find some balance in the front of house but rarely I have a sound guy at my venues, this is why I’m trying to find a set and forget configuration, which I know it’s impossible to achieve but anyway, my trying by doing led me to this uneven d/w balance. According to you maybe it is better to call my rig a stereo rig, but maybe it’s not even a proper stereo. Now that I introduced the H90 in the routing I’m searching a way for retaining what experience teach me with non proper stereo and wet/dry.
 
 Hope I could explain myself better.
 
 Thanks a lot you’re great!
- July 27, 2023 at 3:06 am #172719
 
 ernestorossi
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 Sorry for a late add on. I realized that what I am trying to achieve is something near to the Jet Red Sea experience. I have two amps for L and R, I’ll like to have a wet stereo L-R image but also a 100% dry tone in the middle, without having a third amp. It’s something I can achieve with a mixer, I wonder if it can de done with the H90. I suspect it is possible.
 
 Thank’s again.
 - July 27, 2023 at 8:28 am #172730
 
 joecozzi
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 The Program Mix parameter gives you the ability to maintain a dry signal throughout. Check out this video to see how it can be used effectively. This sounds like what you’re after: https://youtu.be/jxWh3LG-MY8
- July 27, 2023 at 10:24 am #172735
 
 ernestorossi
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 That’s exactly what I was looking for!
 Thank you Joecozzi.
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