Question about stereo out with mono inserts

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    • November 6, 2023 at 9:03 am #175452
      AndersNils
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      I’m currently running mono (guitar) to either stereo (UAFX Ruby to my audio interface) or mono (guitar amp). Basically I’m only using one of the stereo channels when playing with an amp since I can’t manually change the algorithms to run in mono or stereo, which honestly sounds fine to me.

      I was thinking about putting more of  my pedals into the inserts to be able to move them around. Currently I have a fuzz in one of the inserts and it’s really cool to bypass/mix/move the pedal around with different programs. I have a few questions about this setup:

      – If the insert is after the algorithms with 50% wet/dry, does the signal that bypasses the effect stay stereo and/or does the signal going into the effect get summed to mono? Or does it change the algorithms to run in mono mode?

      – If the insert is after the algorithms with 100% wet does bypassing/activating the insert switch the pedals from stereo to mono and back?

      Is there any indicator to see what’s running in stereo or mono mode?

      Thanks!

    • November 7, 2023 at 9:12 am #175484
      jbamberg
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      Eventide Staff

      Is the wet/dry mix you are referring to the overall program mix, the individual algorithm mix, or the insert mix?  I think you’re referring to the insert mix, but I wanted to be sure.

      The H90 automatically switches the algorithms’ input and output modes between mono and stereo according to what’s connected to them (by detecting which jacks are plugged in and what’s upstream or downstream of them in the routing).  Bypassing/activating an insert won’t change the mono/stereo settings.

      In the case of stereo output with a mono insert last in the chain, the algorithm just upstream of the insert will have its output set to mono, regardless of whether the insert is bypassed or not, or what the insert mix setting is.

      Having an indicator for stereo or mono mode is a nice idea.

       

    • November 10, 2023 at 8:48 pm #175621
      AndersNils
      Participant

      Thanks for the reply!

      All of that makes sense. I’ve been thinking about pedal routing and wanted to be sure that I had it right.

      I guess since I switch between mono/stereo and don’t want to unplug things I can add an extra insert with 0% mix to force the algorithms into mono.

    • November 11, 2023 at 8:52 am #175632
      jbamberg
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      Eventide Staff

      Glad to help.  I should also have mentioned that there’s a feature request in the pipeline for an explicit mono mode, overriding the jack sensing, for situations like yours.

    • November 13, 2023 at 5:39 pm #175698
      JDrage
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      I had a similiar question about insert mono/stereo handling on a support thread. In my case I have a stereo signal on the mains (inputs 1+2) and a guitar running as a mono insert on input 3. My idea was to use the INS 1 ACTIVE toggle to switch between the guitar and the stereo signal, bonus points for being able to set Insert Mix to 50% to use both simultaneously.

      However, because of the mono mode switching on the adjacent algorithm, this results in the main stereo signal being summed to mono, even with the insert is inactive. (I collected some empirical data and determined that every single algorithm switches to mono except for Instant Phaser and Thru.) This is kind of unfortunate, and not at all how I expected the inserts to be mixed in.

      I do like the idea of a mono/stereo indicator (perhaps on the routing view), but I would also humbly like to request more robust stereo processing. I attempted to draw how I think it should work in MS Paint (image002.png attached).

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