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    • #189301
      axman53
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        I seem to be having a problem with using MIDI CC messages to switch the H9 patch between active and bypass. I’m using the H9 with the Fender Tone Master Pro (TMP) as the MIDI controller. I have other MIDI things working with the Fender TMP, but can’t seem to get bypass/active switching to work. I’m using CC 0 with a value of 0 for bypass or 127 for active. I have a TMP preset where the H9 FX loop is engaged (not bypassed) in all scenes. My idea was to have the base and all scenes send the desired PC message with the H9 bypassed, then use a MIDI footswitch to set the H9 to active when I wanted the H9 effect. But when I set it up this way, the H9 effect is never bypassed, always active. Can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. Thank you.

      • #189311
        tbskoglund
        Keymaster
        Eventide Staff

          Hello,

          Which pedal function on the H9 do you have your CC 0 mapped to? You should be using the “Toggle between Active and Bypass” pedal function.

          I’d suggest using H9 Control to make your MIDI mappings since it is easier to confirm you have the right functions mapped.

        • #189317
          axman53
          Participant

            Well, that was definitely part of my problem! I had it set to “Toggle between Active and Bypass”, but I had manually assigned Bypass to MIDI CC 0 and Active to MIDI CC 127 misunderstanding them for CC values. Once I set BOTH Active and Passive to MIDI CC 0, I got the MIDI switch on the TMP to work. But there is one additional thing: For this to work as expected, at least with the TMP, I had to set the initial patch active/bypass setting to bypass. That allowed me to do an initial program change when calling up the TMP preset from another TMP preset. The PC simply set the correct effect, cancelling any previous H9 patch. Then, once in the current TMP preset, the MIDI switch I set up in the TMP worked as expected. When setting up a MIDI footswitch in the TMP, you can set both an active and inactive CC message, so the active value sent MIDI CC 0 with a value of 127 to set the H9 patch to active, and the inactive CC message sent MIDI CC0 with a value of 0. And it appears to all work now. Any additional follow up input appreciated.

          • #189329
            axman53
            Participant

              Looking at this further, I now see that there are THREE MIDI mappings that could affect the bypass/activate behavior: Toggle between Active and Bypass, Bypass, Activate. Right now, I have ALL three set to MIDI CC 0. Is that right? Should only Toggle between Active and Bypass be set to MIDI CC 0 and the other two not mapped to anything? What are the respective behaviors of all three of these settings. I think I’m getting more confused instead of less…

            • #189330
              tbskoglund
              Keymaster
              Eventide Staff

                Hello,

                The toggle function is for a single CC to be assigned to toggle between active/bypass.

                The individual active and bypass functions are for when you want a different CC for either of the active or bypass commands.

                Sorry, I’m not following what you mentioned in the previous post. You mentioned it is working now, are you still having issues with the setup?

              • #189332
                axman53
                Participant

                  What I have now seems to be working, but I want to clarify. I should unmap the the individual active and bypass functions, correct? And leave the Toggle setting set to MIDI CC 0, correct? And with it set up that way do I still need to send the CC value of 0 to bypass and CC value of 127 to activate??? Or just send CC 0 with NO value to toggle???

                • #189366
                  axman53
                  Participant

                    Is the H9 MIDI implementation documented in detail anywhere? What’s in the manual doesn’t answer my questions. Documentation that I could study on my own would be better than waiting days for answers in this forum. Kinda frustrating. Still waiting for an answer to my last post above. Thank you.

                  • #189368
                    tbskoglund
                    Keymaster
                    Eventide Staff

                      Hello,

                      Sorry for the delay. There is a MIDI implementation section of the user manual at page 46 of the user guide, but I don’t think that will be useful for this issue: https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.eventide.downloads/Product+Manuals/H9-UserGuide.pdf

                      Here is what I found when testing the MIDI CC active/bypass functions:

                      • ACTIVATE: H9 will be active when receiving a CC value =/> 64. H9 will be bypassed when receiving a CC value =/> 63.
                      • BYPASS: H9 will be bypassed when receiving a CC value =/> 64. H9 will be active when receiving a CC value =/> 63.
                      • TOGGLE BETWEEN ACTIVE AND BYPASS: H9 will toggle between active/bypass when receiving a CC value =/> 64. No action when receiving a CC value =/> 63.

                      Let me know if you need further help.

                       

                    • #189386
                      axman53
                      Participant

                        OK, thanks. I think I really want the explicit activate and bypass funtions, so it looks like I can assign CC 0 ONLY to activate, then use CC 0 with a value =/> 64 to set it to active, then CC 0 with a value =/> 63 to set it to bypass. And I will leave Bypass and Toggle with NO MIDI CC mapping. Does that sound right? I really appreciate your sticking with me on this. Thank you.

                        • #189404
                          tbskoglund
                          Keymaster
                          Eventide Staff

                            You’re welcome. Thanks for your patience.

                            Yes, this sounds correct. Let me know if you have any issues setting it up this way.

                        • #189419
                          axman53
                          Participant

                            Yes! This works as expected now. It’s just that the MIDI is so programmable and flexible it leaves plenty of room for screwing it up. Thanks again!!!

                            • #189420
                              tbskoglund
                              Keymaster
                              Eventide Staff

                                Great to hear! You’re welcome.

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