Add-on card with 8 nice preamps?

[ThreeFingersOfLove]

Hi all,

I was wondering whether Eventide would consider offering an add-on card equipped with preamplifiers (2 channels/4channels or 8 channels) for the H9000. It seems there is plenty of space inside the H9000 for such a card and, maybe most importantly, plenty of demand. The preamps of the H8000FW play a significant role in its sonic character and they are very handy in many cases so I think it would be a great addition and definitely a great selling/marketing point.

What do you think?

[donrwatters]

I’d like this. If it could include hi-z in and out, that would make it even more valuable. I think a lot of people want plug their guitar directly into the unit, like an H9. Also use it as a DI, and be able to send directly to an H9 would be sweet.

[joeydego]

+1 on this, even though I probably wouldn’t use it this way. Would be nice to know I have another 8 mic pres in. Would also need 48v power. 

[John Baylies]

this is now ticket #H9000-390 "expansion card request: mics and Hi-Z inputs"

I've always thought that a mastering-grade mixing-link-type expansion card would be sweet.

[brysava]

Looks like a great idea! I hope the mic pre’s will include a direct out, bypassing the unit’s digital conversion, for when that is not needed, like when going directly into an analog mixer and adding H9k FX via mixer sends.

[Pombero]

This is such a good idea. +1!

[KazRemark]

Absolutely +1. I’m keeping my DSP-7000 around mainly for the unique sound of cranking the pre’s.

[ThreeFingersOfLove]

Bump.

How is this coming along? Can anyone from Eventide comment on this?

[John Baylies]

> Can anyone from Eventide comment on this?

Ticket #H9000-390 “expansion card request: mics and Hi-Z inputs” has yet to be assigned to anyone. Development is currently focused elsewhere.

Edit: Nevermind! This actually is in progress, but I have no specs nor timeline for it.

[zengomi]

John Baylies wrote:

> Can anyone from Eventide comment on this?

Ticket #H9000-390 “expansion card request: mics and Hi-Z inputs” has yet to be assigned to anyone. Development is currently focused elsewhere.

Edit: Nevermind! This actually is in progress, but I have no specs nor timeline for it.

Great! Thanks for revealing that much.

I’d like to request that consideration be given to incorporating XLR/TRS combo jacks on that expansion card. Should I create a ticket? Actually, what is a ‘ticket’?

[John Baylies]

> Should I create a ticket? Actually, what is a ‘ticket’?

Tickets are a part of Eventide’s internal project tracking system, which users don’t have access to. Rest assured that your comments have been noted.

[zengomi]

John Baylies wrote:

> Should I create a ticket? Actually, what is a ‘ticket’?

Tickets are a part of Eventide’s internal project tracking system, which users don’t have access to. Rest assured that your comments have been noted.

Thank you.

[KazRemark]

I would happily purchase a card with great sounding preamps.  I’m currently keeping my DSP-7000 around cause I really like the sound on the analog inputs when tracking synths.  Would love if the H9000 can cover that final bit of ground. 

[Kamurah]

Add my name to the list of someone who thinks this would be a great add-on!

[tmoravan]

I know it’s still very early in the process, but how would you envision this card working if someone is currently using the analog I/O on the H9000?

Would we simply move the DB25 from the current input section to the new card, or would the card give us an additional 8 analog inputs (for a total of 16 in x 8 out analog)?

thanks

[zengomi]

I might be overlooking something, but I don’t see the point of moving the DB25 from the current input section to a new card. Hmmm

As for a new card expanding the number of inputs, surely there are people who would appreciate that. For such a card to add 8 channels, in consideration of the horizontal space available, it probably would have to have a DB25 connector. 

Another card could offer a fewer number of XLR/TSR inputs. Those could either add channels or be alternatives to the existing 8 channels. (UAD’s Apollo x8p has both DB25 and XLR/TSR inputs for the same 8 channels. The user can select in software which is used.)

Offering multiple types of analog input expansion boards would be relevant to the H9000 as a long runner.

 

[Kamurah]

I think (but I could be wrong) what he meant by ‘move’ was the output of the preamp card would connect via DB25 to the analog input section of the H9000.  This saves the cost of a separate ADC if the preamp card cannot be routed to the existing analog section internally. 

[tmoravan]

Yes, my summary question is — if we install the pre-amp board, do we now have 16 separate analog inputs or still just 8?

I guess it may come down to whether the pre-amp board has its own A/D converters or does it plug into the existing analog bus and use the converters already present.

I think it would be a lower cost if it used the existing converters and was purely a pre-amp analog board.  We wouldn’t have lost anything (still have 8 analog inputs) and if they use a DB25 connector for the new board, it’s simple matter of installing the board and attaching our existing DB25 connector to the new board instead of to the mainframe.

[jbamberg]

tmoravan wrote:

Yes, my summary question is — if we install the pre-amp board, do we now have 16 separate analog inputs or still just 8?

I guess it may come down to whether the pre-amp board has its own A/D converters or does it plug into the existing analog bus and use the converters already present.

I think it would be a lower cost if it used the existing converters and was purely a pre-amp analog board.  We wouldn’t have lost anything (still have 8 analog inputs) and if they use a DB25 connector for the new board, it’s simple matter of installing the board and attaching our existing DB25 connector to the new board instead of to the mainframe.

The card will have its own converters and it will create additional analog channels, independent of the 8 channels of IO built into the main board, so yes, with one of the cards installed there will be more than 8 analog inputs.  (You can also add multiple cards for more analog channels if you have free expansion slots).

 

[Kamurah]

 

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The card will have its own converters and it will create additional analog channels, independent of the 8 channels of IO built into the main board, so yes, with one of the cards installed there will be more than 8 analog inputs.  (You can also add multiple cards for more analog channels if you have free expansion slots).

 

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Very nice!  Now about that internal fan…….

[joeydego]

This can potentially open up a whole new class of channel strip like algorithms, not quite modeling like UA and others but with character all their own. 8 mic pres would turn the H9000 into a more viable stand alone interface. I understand it was never the intention, but this can definitely work. Maybe down the line we can have an interface mode tab, with the ability to send from these 8 pres to other algorithms. Lots of possibility here. 

[chriscarter]

+1 on this idea – although 4 channels would be enough for the majority of my projects.

[parkerfly81]

ThreeFingersOfLove wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering whether Eventide would consider offering an add-on card equipped with preamplifiers (2 channels/4channels or 8 channels) for the H9000. It seems there is plenty of space inside the H9000 for such a card and, maybe most importantly, plenty of demand. The preamps of the H8000FW play a significant role in its sonic character and they are very handy in many cases so I think it would be a great addition and definitely a great selling/marketing point.

What do you think?

i still have my orville in the rack (with the 9000..) for this very reason – very much would like to see this happen.

r 

[zengomi]

Hoping this is making its way up Eventide’s to-do list. 

Big ‘yes’ to preamps!

[ThreeFingersOfLove]

I would like to know as well, if there’s any progress with this.

[millertime]

I would love this myself

 

[joeydego]

Glad to hear this is in process now. I definitely would love one!

[pacific202]

In a similar vein, I’d like to have an add-on card that will give me another 8 channels in and out over DB25.

[ThreeFingersOfLove]

Any news on this preamp card?

[zengomi]

Surely this is a moneymaker for Eventide. Wouldn’t that make it a high priority project? 🙂

[Puppeteer]

I’d probably look at getting one of these as well.  I’m torn between going MADI or Dante for a second card.  I don’t have either yet, but am going to have to go that way for any future channel expansions.

[rtwarkins]

I’d be interested in the pre-amp card as well. Interested to see what turns up.

[parkerfly81]

i recently added a dante card (with an RME digiface..) and i very quickly realize how important these additional analog i/o cards are – wondering if there’s any update on when they might be released..

(also, the start of the thread mentions ‘inputs’ only.. but, it would for sure be great to have both ins AND outs represented..)

i would put a vote in for a card that was two dsub connectors – 8in/8out, just like whats already available on the unit, with the addition of preamps on the way in.

thanks for making such great / inspiring stuff, ET.

 

 

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parkerfly81 wrote:

i would put a vote in for a card that was two dsub connectors – 8in/8out, just like whats already available on the unit, with the addition of preamps on the way in.

This! Absolutely…

Just like Merging Hapi add on mic pre cards

If using Dante or MADi in studio or especially Live with digital mixers like A&H SQ series this type of Analog Card would add additional high quality AD/DA conversion + great Mic pres… so total of 16 analog Ins and outs added to the setup.
And let’s not forget that USB on H9k is 16/16 in out, so H9k fitted with 16/16 analog ins and outs makes true sense (even if it would be just the same as the provided AD/DA on the unit and Dsub 25 connectors are absolutely the best option, fitting nicely on the exp card)

[gustebeast]

Dsub would be nice for studio use but I hope it can also have combo XLR/TRS/TS mic/line for gigging. I’d be curious to know if this analog I/O expansion card is still something Eventide is looking into.

[zengomi]

I wonder if development costs and sales uncertainty have relegated this potential card to ‘someday, perhaps’ status. Would some sort of crowd funding be a feasible way forward?

[gustebeast]

Given the space constraints, I think the best setup would be one DB25 port and 2 combo XLR/TRS/TS ports. Ideally they would all be separate for 10 total channels, although could also make sense to have it work like the existing DB25 and XLR inputs where they overlap. For setting gain and toggling phantom power, perhaps a new section could be added to the H9000 SETUP panel in Emote.

[benoit piccand]

…i’d be in for a pres-card too!

[qepic7]

As soon as Eventide puts this out, I’m snatching this. Yes Please!

[zengomi]

Hope someone at E is keeping a list. If so, put me on it, please.

[gustebeast]

I’d be curious to hear from those that mentioned extra analog outputs to know what the use case is there beyond the existing 8 channels of analog output.

The expansion card slot offers very little room so personally I think this card should focus on adding something that doesn’t exist currently (pre-amped inputs) as opposed to increasing the number of something that does exist (analog outputs).

– One DSUB connector

– Two combo XLR/TRS/TS jacks

– Two TRS/TS jacks

That should fill up the space and offer 12 pre-amped inputs with flexibility for different cable types.

[parkerfly81]

i think there would be so many different use cases for these additions..

i would love 8 more ins AND 8 more outs (both over DSUB..) and don’t currently have much use for preamps built in.. or TRS inputs.. (although a card with 2, 4, or 8 TRS/XLR combo jacks WITH preamps built in could be pretty appealing to many) ((8 might be a stretch though..))

maybe different cards could be offered – kinda like apogee does with symphony… so you’d be able to pick from a few options that best suited your needs..

i’ve looked into some of the RME stuff for this exact reason (more ins/out..) over MADI.. but, i’ll wait it out if i knew what was (and wasn’t coming..) from eventide!

still happily using the H9000 everyday (and orville, as well..)

r

[gustebeast]

Curious for some examples of what would you do with the additional 8 analog outs

[parkerfly81]

i’d say mostly for live processing..

right now the H9000 is used for my solo guitar setup..

i’m using a 10 channel (6 mono, 4 stereo) mixer and all 8 outs (from the 9000) are plugged into the 4 stereo channels..

but…. there’s some synths / modular around that i’d also like to be able to process with the 9000 and send to their own channels on the same mixer – the additional cards would make this possible..

 

 

[GoldenRaven]

I will be happy having  a card for  8 Ch of  Analog I/o and 8 CH AES

[GoldenRaven]

more analog cards please!!

[amiel]

I would love Analog Cards:

-8 Ch I/O for more Inserts

-16 Ch Out for Playback

[parkerfly81]

just checking in on this thread – any updates of when this might be happening?

would love to see it!

r

[zengomi]

Interest continues. Hope Eventide is actively working on this.

[joeydego]

zengomi wrote:

Interest continues. Hope Eventide is actively working on this.

 

Indeed

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