Can’t Get Fully “Wet” Micropitched Signal

[hoi_polloi]

Am having a hard time getting a fully “wet” micropitched signal when the mix knob is all the way up. At 11:40 of Eventide’s YouTube video “Eventide MicroPitch Delay Pedal Tutorial – Part 1: Knobs & Switches”, Joe demonstrates that turning the mix knob all the way clockwise should result in a 100% wet tone, i.e., the dry, base note completely goes away and you’re left with what sounds like a bent string. I turned off delay and modulation and isolated voice A via the “Pitch Mix” knob. I turn the “Mix” knob all the way CCW and hit a dummy note, then turn the “Mix” knob completely CW and while I do hear the positively de-tuned signal come in, the base note never goes away.

What’s even more confusing is I <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>can</span> get a fully “wet” <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>delayed</span> signal when utilizing the secondary functions (hit a note, dry signal completely killed, then delays come in).

Between this and the EDM not recognizing the pedal on a 2024 vintage MacBook Air, my experience with the pedal has been frustrating. EDM installed on a 2011 vintage MacBook Air does recognize the pedal but the connection gets severed every ~ 5 minutes.

I really want to like this pedal but at this point, but I’m becoming increasingly mindful of my return window. I hope I’m doing something wrong but I’ve spent a lot of time trying to troubleshoot this without much success. Anybody have any ideas?

[joecozzi]

Hello hoi_polloi,

When you say

hoi_polloi wrote:

I turn the “Mix” knob all the way CCW and hit a dummy note, then turn the “Mix” knob completely CW and while I do hear the positively de-tuned signal come in, the base note never goes away.

That’s the way it’s supposed to work. The dry signal never disappears unless you’re running in Kill Dry mode. If you’re trying to replicate what I’m doing in the video at 11:40, notice I’m using the Pitch A knob to go from normal pitch to a +50 cents pitch shifted signal; I never move the Mix knob until I tell you we’re adding the dry signal back in for a chorus-like effect.

hoi_polloi wrote:

What’s even more confusing is I can get a fully “wet” delayed signal when utilizing the secondary functions (hit a note, dry signal completely killed, then delays come in). Between this and the EDM not recognizing the pedal on a 2024 vintage MacBook Air, my experience with the pedal has been frustrating. EDM installed on a 2011 vintage MacBook Air does recognize the pedal but the connection gets severed every ~ 5 minutes. I really want to like this pedal but at this point, but I’m becoming increasingly mindful of my return window. I hope I’m doing something wrong but I’ve spent a lot of time trying to troubleshoot this without much success. Anybody have any ideas?

Eventide is moving away from the Eventide Device Manager and asking users to edit our pedals using the newer H90 Control application; this requires updating the pedal to the latest firmware if you haven’t already done so.

[hoi_polloi]

Thanks, Joe.

I’m sorry, I misspoke re: turning the Mix knob versus the Pitch A knob. I’ll try this again tonight but I feel like I’ve tried this already. Is the pedal in the video set to Kill Dry? When you turn the Pitch A knob CCW to +50 cents, is there any dry tone still in it? I don’t hear it (listening on an iPad with AirPods).

I’ll also try the H90 Control application versus the EDM.

[joecozzi]

hoi_polloi wrote:

Is the pedal in the video set to Kill Dry?

No, it is not.

hoi_polloi wrote:

When you turn the Pitch A knob CCW to +50 cents, is there any dry tone still in it?

When Pitch A is fully CCW the value of the pitch shift is zero, not +50 cents. +50 cents is achieved at the fully clockwise setting. To answer your question, no, there is no dry signal, but when Pitch A is fully CCW it’s the same as being in unison to the dry signal.[/quote]

[hoi_polloi]

Thanks for the guidance, but one more clarifying question before I try troubleshooting it again this evening.

In your first response, you mention that the dry tone never goes away unless the pedal is set to Kill Dry. In the last response, however, you mention that with the Mix knob turned fully clockwise there is no dry signal even though the pedal in the video is not set to Kill Dry.

Apologies in advance if I’m misinterpreting you.

[joecozzi]

hoi_polloi wrote:

In your first response, you mention that the dry tone never goes away unless the pedal is set to Kill Dry. In the last response, however, you mention that with the Mix knob turned fully clockwise there is no dry signal even though the pedal in the video is not set to Kill Dry. Apologies in advance if I’m misinterpreting you.

When the pedal’s Mix knob is set fully CW, there is no dry signal present. However, if both Pitches are set to zero, that means they are generating a note that is unison to the original pitch, a copy if you will. This means the fully wet signal has the same pitch as the dry signal.

[hoi_polloi]

Right, but if the “Pitch Mix” knob is set all the way to Voice A, shouldn’t anything related to Voice B get zeroed out (original tone and any affected signal)?

[joecozzi]

That’s correct, but I’m just pointing out that even fully wet, you can still have either or both pitches present in the wet signal at the same pitch as the dry signal when Pitch A and/or B is set to zero.

[hoi_polloi]

I tested this for a while last night with everything in the secondary menu zeroed out. On the primary menu, Voice B’s pitch shift is set to zero, rate and depth are set to zero, Pitch Mix is set all the way to A, Mix is set all the way CW (100% wet), and I turned on Kill Dry. I hit the high E and gradually turned Voice A up from zero to max (+50 cents). In this scenario, I was expecting to hear just one tone that gradually goes up in pitch (since the original tone should have been killed and I’m not using anything out of Voice B because of the Pitch Mix knob), but I’m still getting the original tone. Where is it coming from?

Is there a way to completely isolate a pitch shifted tone, like to hit a note, turn the Pitch A knob CW, and it effectively sounds like a string bend? I’m trying to run a wet/dry/wet rig.

Is there still something I’m not doing right given what I’m trying to achieve?

Thanks for all the help thus far.

[joecozzi]

Here’s a short video of me showing you how to do what I did in the video: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/db7l04dp2s0kengxukrpf/Video-Dec-17-2024-10-07-46-AM.mov?rlkey=00xvgwcvog8z32sts125vy6bv&st=6z2ur8ol&dl=0

[hoi_polloi]

Thanks very much for this. I appreciate the video tutorial but when I do the exact same thing as you in the video, I don’t hear one note shifted 50 cents. I still hear the original tone AND the new pitch-shifted tone. I’ll try this again tonight, but I’m 99% sure I’ve tried this already.

What are the odds it could be an issue with the pedal itself?

[joecozzi]

hoi_polloi wrote:

I’m still getting the original tone. Where is it coming from? … I’m trying to run a wet/dry/wet rig.

Since you are running a WDW rig, could you be hearing your dry signal from the dry amp?

[hoi_polloi]

No. WDW is the end goal. I’m testing the wet portion via two heads, both with effects loops. Complete signal chain as follows:

Guitar > Tuner > DigiTech Mosaic > Phaser > Flanger > Tube Screamer > Wah > Front of Amp (I use the amp for drive) > FX send on head 1 > MicroPitch Delay (set to mono, line level) > Output 1 to left input of stereo delay, Output 2 to right input of stereo delay > Stereo Delay > Stereo Reverb > left output to FX return on head 1, right output to FX return on head 2.

I have an ABY box that I use in live situations to peel off the dry signal. What I’m trying to do at the moment is test and troubleshoot the “wet” path, hence why I’m confused as to why I’m still getting a dry tone even though I set the MPD to 100% wet.

I think this would be easier to discuss via a call. If you have access to my Eventide profile and see my e-mail address, could you e-mail me a number at which to contact you to discuss live?

[joecozzi]

Is it possible your amps have parallel effects loops instead of serial effects loops, hence why you are still hearing the dry signal?

[hoi_polloi]

No. Tone head is a Mesa Boogie Mark V 25. Effects loop is series and buffered.

[hoi_polloi]

Closing the loop here, I returned the MicroPitch Delay that was the basis for this thread (that I got off of Amazon) and purchased another one directly from the Eventide web site and now don’t have this problem. Guess it was a hardware issue.

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