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June 16, 2023 at 9:16 am #171980brockParticipant
I’ve seen some discussion about consideration for a dedicated FREEZE algorithm. I have also been thinking about what that might entail; separating it from all of the INF / FREEZE reverb parameters. The new SIFT algo offerings, as well.
I use FREEZE a lot for flavoring, with non-Eventide units as well. I am happy with the variety of effects I can get, using the H90 offerings. Each one brings its own strengths. Sampling the input, though, can be very different from freezing a reverb sample, or even a pitch-shifted one.
What do you think a “dedicated” FREEZE algorithm might need, in your own situation? I’ll start with a few possibilities, which aren’t necessarily high on my ‘wish list’ (although some are):
- Variable Attack / Decay parameters. Not unlike the HotSawz ones.
- Or full ADSR capabilities. Perhaps two envelopes.
- Glissando/portamento between frozen notes are very nice effects. Time parameter is a must.
- Maybe an envelope follower would set it apart? Threshold, then up and/or down to a sustained pitch?
- Full-on SuperEgo. Moment & (double-click) Latch are already covered in most ways.
- And I’m thinking you can already simulate Auto & Sustain modes, by adding a Threshold parameter.
- SuperEgo+. Add processing by some other effect to break up the static freeze.
- Tremolo? Low pass filter? Mono Delay? Pattern sequencer?
- How about a harmonized frozen note? Either fixed, or scale-constrained.
Just tossing out ideas for discussion. If you’re going to make an entire algorithm dedicated to Freeze, you need something to set it apart.
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June 17, 2023 at 4:48 am #171988InfectionParticipant
I like most of your ideas a lot.
Glissando/Portamento would be really cool, same with envelope follower and tremolo and other effects.
-How about arpeggiating frozen chords?
-A freeze that triggers a synth. Maybe string ensembles, mellotron, analog pads or choir/voice synthesis.
-Vowel/formant filters could be nice, especially if they can have movement related to the input signal.
-Would it be possible to use SIFT technology to track the input signal and use the pitch information (in addition to amplitude) as a control signal to manipulate the freezed part? Pitch dependent auto freeze? Pitch dependent resonator? Pitch dependent ducking?
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June 19, 2023 at 12:15 pm #172012brockParticipant
I am liking these ideas as well. It’s all going to boil down to how many features can ‘fit’ in an algorithm, that’s primarily about freeze. Then again, we’ve seen a great deal of control packed in; especially with the more recent algorithms.
I’ve always thought that we were missing a deep, resonant filter in the algos. And I’ve always wanted a scale-constrained sequencer [hybrid DiaTonic-QuadraVox / HarPeggiator]. But I believe that would be a big ‘ask’ as one part of a freeze algorithm.
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June 18, 2023 at 4:45 pm #172004nico___Participant
+1 for this feature
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February 15, 2024 at 3:35 pm #178259HammerheadhvywtParticipant
This would be an awesome addition the H90! +1 from me as well
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February 15, 2024 at 6:18 pm #178261Herr MosaParticipant
+1 Great 👍🏼
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May 22, 2024 at 11:19 am #182886jtatParticipant
+1
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May 23, 2024 at 1:03 pm #182906mishikParticipant
just give us rnbo and we will be able to build custom algo’s 🙂
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May 26, 2024 at 1:38 pm #182942Borja CaroParticipant
+1
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May 23, 2024 at 2:07 pm #182907ThoGoParticipant
+1 For this feature
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July 30, 2024 at 9:11 pm #184081amc8Participant
Agreed, my superego plus is the only pedal the h90 hasn’t replaced.
Having a freeze with added pitch shift with overlap/portamento would be amazing.
I’ve found it hard to get smooth pad sounds on the poly synth plugin because it always cuts off the previous chord as you play the new one.
Can work around with the freeze param and/or delays and verb tails but having an automatic freeze envelope would be killer.
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July 31, 2024 at 10:21 am #184088brockParticipant
Agreed, my superego plus is the only pedal the h90 hasn’t replaced …
Yes, as much as I use & abuse the variety of H90 freeze options, the S/E+ (and its internal loop) is still there, for much the same reason. The selection of freeze ‘modes’ serve different applications.
…Having a freeze with added pitch shift with overlap/portamento would be amazing. I’ve found it hard to get smooth pad sounds on the poly synth plugin because it always cuts off the previous chord as you play the new one. Can work around with the freeze param and/or delays and verb tails but having an automatic freeze envelope would be killer.
You might be interested in a tactic I’ve been using for this. At its core, two H90 algorithms in Parallel routing, each with some type of freeze capability. It’s not automatic, but you can blend between two pads with footswitches. I even snuck in some ‘portamento’. Depending on the decay setup, momentary works as well as latched. Here’s one example: https://patchstorage.com/soaring-on-wings-of-dawn/
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