emote as ableton live plugin problem

[javartin]

Hi, I tried to use emote as ableton live plugin on an audio track; I could clearly see the audio signal on emote pluging input and output, however, I couldn’t hear any effect on this audio track. What could be the problem !? Thanks !

 

[joeydego]

Emote does not process audio. It is simply control software for an H9000

[javartin]

If emote cannot process audio as VST, why it’s there as plugin? (the emote standalone application can process audio outside of DAW)

I saw there’s a chapter in the manual but still can’t solve the problem ……….

4. Using Emote as a Plug-in

Emote can be used in your DAW using VST3, VST, AU, and AAX plug-in formats. Only one instance of Emote is needed in a given DAW project, and it does not matter which audio track it is placed on.

https://cdn.eventideaudio.com/manuals/h9000/2.0/content/emote/plugin.html

 

[peterpriddle]

Just to add to the Joeydego post, the H9000 manual has the following in Section 4.4:

4.4. Using Emote as a Plug-in¶
Emote can be used in your DAW using VST3, VST, AU, and AAX plug-in formats. Only one instance of Emote is needed in a given DAW project, and it does not matter which audio track it is placed on.

Note :Using Emote as a plug-in does not automatically route audio connections to the H9000, all audio connections must be configured by using your selected DAW’s method of routing external audio effects.

 

In your case you need to (as per your screenshot) route audio from your audio interface into the analog in of the H9000 using an audio cable and then another cable from the H9000 analog out to the input of your audio interface and configure Ablelton.

[joeydego]

The standalone does not process audio either. It is merely control software for your H9000. Nothing more. It exists as a plugin to give you features such as control automation and session recall.

[javartin]

joeydego wrote:

In your case you need to (as per your screenshot) route audio from your audio interface into the analog in of the H9000 using an audio cable and then another cable from the H9000 analog out to the input of your audio interface and configure Ablelton.

Yes, I tried this approach; I routed the audio from analog output of 1/2 of RME UCX ii to H9K and from H9K to analog input 3/4 of RME; I tried to push as much gain as possible from the RME totalmix without introducing distortion (a huge hiss from the monitor speaker), however, the output from H9K is extremely low…………..

Is there anyway I can raise the output of H9K without introducing distortion

 

[peterpriddle]

The following may assist you (I am a Logic user so I am giving you YouTube resources to view content relevant to Ableton)

 

Regarding the RME RME UCX ii the following You Tube link will explain how to configure Ableton to send and return to an effect processor like the H9000:

 

 

With regard the H9000 the following section of the user manual explains the way to set up Analog inputs and outputs on the  H9000 front panel:

2.1.9. Analog References

The Analog Reference Levels screen allows you to set the levels for the eight analog inputs and outputs present on the DB-25 connectors. This allows the H9000 to be installed in a wide variety of environments, and interface at an optimum level with professional and some consumer equipment.</i>

Each pair of analog inputs and outputs on the DB-25 connectors can be separately selected between -10 dBV and +4 dBu.

Use the cursor buttons to highlight the specific pair of inputs or outputs you wish to adjust. Options include:

• Analog In 1/2 • Analog In 5/6 • Analog Out 1/2 • Analog Out 5/6 • Analog In 3/4 • Analog In 7/8 • Analog Out 3/4 • Analog Out 7/8

Once you have highlighted the appropriate pair of inputs or outputs, press the Enter button to switch to the alternate operating level.

Note that the rear panel XLR analog connectors are a duplicate “mult” of channels 1-2 of the eight- channel analog DB-25 connectors. As a result, any reference level changes made to analog input or output 1-2 of the DB-25 connector will also affect the XLR inputs and outputs.

 

or in Emote

3.3.8. Setup View

Please refer to Section 2.1: Setting up Your H9000 for information about these settings.

 

Finally in Totalmix you can specify -10db Inst or +4db Line level as the input level for the channel you are feeding in from the H9000. As a rule they should be matched as either  -10 or +4db for both the RME RME UCX ii and the H9000

 

Hope this helps!

[bsfreq]

javartin wrote:

Yes, I tried this approach; I routed the audio from analog output of 1/2 of RME UCX ii to H9K and from H9K to analog input 3/4 of RME; I tried to push as much gain as possible from the RME totalmix without introducing distortion (a huge hiss from the monitor speaker), however, the output from H9K is extremely low………….. Is there anyway I can raise the output of H9K without introducing distortion

 

Yes, you should be able to send hotter signal from your interface to the H9000.

Are you actually familiar with TotalmixFX? You seem to have serious feedback one click away from happening (if you enable fx inTMFX), as you have fx send set at max level on input 3/4 (coming from the H9000 return) and fx return at max level on output 1/2 (going to the H9000).

Also, you have loopback enabled on output 1/2. Why? Are you re-recording the dry signal you’re sending from your Ableton to the H9000?

There are good video tutorials for TMFX on youtube, in case you feel confused. Best of luck!

[javartin]

Thanks to both peterpriddle & bsfreq for pointing out my wrong settings; now I tried to reset my totalmix setting all over again with better labeling (From H9K, Ableton, To H9K) and the master output gain from Ableton seems to be OK, but again I still got very low output from H9K as shown in the picture……

Can’t raise any more gain on any of these controls (From H9K, Ableton, To H9K) otherwise serious feedback occurs. I figured that when instrument direct plugged into analog input of H9K, everything works so smoothly, but when routing audio from DAW to H9K and back to DAW just cant get it right. What else could be wrong !??

 

 

 

[bsfreq]

javartin wrote:

Thanks to both peterpriddle & bsfreq for pointing out my wrong settings; now I tried to reset my totalmix setting all over again with better labeling (From H9K, Ableton, To H9K) and the master output gain from Ableton seems to be OK, but again I still got very low output from H9K as shown in the picture…… Can’t raise any more gain on any of these controls (From H9K, Ableton, To H9K) otherwise serious feedback occurs. I figured that when instrument direct plugged into analog input of H9K, everything works so smoothly, but when routing audio from DAW to H9K and back to DAW just cant get it right. What else could be wrong !??

 

You should really learn TMFX first. (Look into submix mode – You have independent mixes for each output.) Now you’re actually sending the return signal from H9000 (From H9K in) back to H9000 (To H9K out) effectively causing the feedback loop. You have raised the H9K input fader on the mix that you’re sending to the H9K!!

[tbskoglund]

Sorry for the issue you are having. I am not familiar with TotalMix so I can’t suggest anything there, but you should be able to route your audio directly from Ableton to the H9000 without the TotalMix software, or at least using the software at some sort of default setting.

Did you view this video that was shared before? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gyzOjjA88&t=72s

The “External Audio Effect” plug-in in Ableton makes this very simple. Leave your Ableton master output at channels 1-2 (or whatever you normally use for the master output channels). Use channels 3-4 for the inputs/outputs of the Ableton external audio effect. Connect those to the H9000. Now you have an external hardware insert within Ableton.

It sounds like you are creating a feedback loop with the setup you are trying because you are sending the master bus of Ableton to the H9000 and then trying to record that back.

[javartin]

Thanks for answering my question~

 

I agree with bsfreq, but isn’t the guy’s setting in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gyzOjjA88&t=72s causing feedback loop as well !?

RME output 3/4 -> Compressor input

Compressor output  -> RME input 5/6

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Thanks to tbskoglund  and I tried the video’s approach and set Ableton master output at channels 1-2 ; my connection is:

RME output 3/4 -> H9K analog input

RME analog output  -> RME input 3/4

Also inserted an external audio effect plugin in a audio track, however I saw that there’s no signal in 3/4 of “Audio To” (supposed to be a signal because of RME output 3/4 ), only signal was in 1/2.(is this from software playback !?? meaning from ableton master track !??).

This time H9K seems to have higher output, but still causing feedback when raising the output gain of H9K……….

 

 

[tbskoglund]

On the external audio effect, Audio To and Audio From should both be analog 3-4. This is assuming that the physical inputs/outputs 3-4 on your interface are connected to the H9000’s analog inputs/outputs.

Don’t set the Audio To of the external audio effect to 1/2. This is creating a feedback loop (the master audio is sent out, and then returned to the input, sent out again, etc.)

If you playback audio on the audio track that you are using the external audio effect on, it should be sent to outputs 3/4.

[bsfreq]

javartin wrote:

Thanks for answering my question~ I agree with bsfreq, but isn’t the guy’s setting in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gyzOjjA88&t=72s causing feedback loop as well !? RME output 3/4 -> Compressor input Compressor output -> RME input 5/6 ＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝

No, as he isn’t creating the routing in TMFX that causes your feedback. If you continue the same video, the TMFX routing is explained very clearly there:

https://youtu.be/j6gyzOjjA88?si=zAmMGwebj9PdUxDo&t=309

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