FR: Please SideChain for VST format

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- April 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm #112502
  Anatolyj_B
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  If possible, add SC support in future also for VST, especially in H3000, because sc in h3000 is one of internal modulators as i understand, thus it cutting of important functional parts for vst.
- April 16, 2015 at 12:00 am #127723
  DGillespie
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  Hi Anatoly,
  
  We have experimental VST3 support working, but it's got bugs. I hope to get this out after the Anthology release.
  
  Dan
- April 16, 2015 at 12:18 am #138865
  Anatolyj_B
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  Thanks Dan, will wait.
- April 16, 2015 at 2:28 pm #138870
  Anatolyj_B
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  Btw, Dan, but why not implement SC in current vst2 ? I understand that it is not the same convenient as in vst3, it require some actions with the busses in the daw, but all the same it could work ?
- April 18, 2015 at 12:27 pm #138885
  Diet Even
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  This pretty please!
  
  Vst 3 is nice and all but some DAWs will never support it.
  - December 9, 2015 at 1:56 am #141778
    darthfader9000
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    Diet Even wrote:
    
    This pretty please! +1000
    
    Vst 3 is nice and all but some DAWs will never support it.
    
    yea ableton is being a real pain regarding that
- December 12, 2015 at 3:22 pm #141806
  DGillespie
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  Hey Guys,
  
  We'll look in to it.
  
  Dan
- December 13, 2015 at 12:58 pm #141809
  msmucr
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  Hello,
  
  I also miss that functionality at VST versions..
  
  Just one thing – additional input channels (ones used for ext. sidechain) are definitely possible to implement also for VST 2.4, it isn’t exclusive feature of VST 3. Sidechained stereo plugins just appears as 4in/2out.
  
  There are quite few existing plugins, which uses that and works pretty well across multiple VST hosts. For example – NI Vintage comps, Softube comps, free ReaComp from Cockos’s ReaPlugs http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/ etc.
  
  As for VST3, I don’t think it has some practical advantages besides Steinberg’s world particularly for audio effects.. Maybe there is possible sample accurate automation (eg. plugin can get automation values update in between of DAW processing block boundaries), but I’m not sure if that is so significant.
  
  Michal
  - December 18, 2015 at 7:03 pm #141876
    tlongabaugh
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    msmucr wrote:
    
    Hello,
    
    I also miss that functionality at VST versions..
    
    Just one thing – additional input channels (ones used for ext. sidechain) are definitely possible to implement also for VST 2.4, it isn't exclusive feature of VST 3. Sidechained stereo plugins just appears as 4in/2out.
    
    There are quite few existing plugins, which uses that and works pretty well across multiple VST hosts. For example – NI Vintage comps, Softube comps, free ReaComp from Cockos's ReaPlugs http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/ etc.
    
    As for VST3, I don't think it has some practical advantages besides Steinberg's world particularly for audio effects.. Maybe there is possible sample accurate automation (eg. plugin can get automation values update in between of DAW processing block boundaries), but I'm not sure if that is so significant.
    
    Michal
    
    Thanks for the info, Michal. We'll look into it.
    
    Tom
  - May 15, 2017 at 9:30 pm #146380
    hesnotthemessiah
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    msmucr wrote:
    
    Hello,
    
    I also miss that functionality at VST versions..
    
    Just one thing – additional input channels (ones used for ext. sidechain) are definitely possible to implement also for VST 2.4, it isn’t exclusive feature of VST 3. Sidechained stereo plugins just appears as 4in/2out.
    
    There are quite few existing plugins, which uses that and works pretty well across multiple VST hosts. For example – NI Vintage comps, Softube comps, free ReaComp from Cockos’s ReaPlugs http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/ etc.
    
    As for VST3, I don’t think it has some practical advantages besides Steinberg’s world particularly for audio effects.. Maybe there is possible sample accurate automation (eg. plugin can get automation values update in between of DAW processing block boundaries), but I’m not sure if that is so significant.
    
    Michal
    
    I have AnthologyX and I really miss VST2.4 support for sidechain on your plugins. A real shame because, as Michal says, this is quite a common feature now for plugins. I never use VST3 unless I really need to, with Reaper support for VST3 being, from what I have read, rather flakey in the past. It does seem, from what I have read, that Reaper now handles VST3 much better but plain old VST2.4 sidechain support (“works pretty well across multiple VST hosts”) would definately be my preferred method of external sidechaining.
    
    Cheers
    
    Nev.
  - May 31, 2017 at 3:29 pm #146552
    tlongabaugh
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    Hi Nev-
    
    I agree that VST2 sidechain would be a great feature to have. It's on Dan and mine's to-do list, but unfortunately we have higher priorities at the moment, so I can't say when it will be implemented.
    
    -Tom
- January 6, 2016 at 1:24 pm #142060
  viceverser
  Just downloaded the demo, and the only thing keeping this from being an amazing product is INTERNAL sidechain, as found in the Waves SSL E-Channel, And the Boz digital Plus 10db channel Plugins, Amazing feature, and would deffinitely make this beautiful sounding strip amazing. Surely not too big an ask? It would add so much to the usability, and would be vst2 compliant. Maybe implemented in a secomd click of the sidechain feature? Or add a small target dropdown?
  
  I would buy this during the current sale period on the promise of this feature development alone.
  
  Peace… V.
- January 8, 2016 at 6:24 pm #142093
  DGillespie
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  That's an interesting idea viceverser, I can't promise anything, but I'll think what that would look like.
  
  Dan
- March 30, 2018 at 5:43 pm #148846
  tlongabaugh
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  Eventide Staff
  VST2 sidechain implementation has just been released, in applicable plugins.
  - March 30, 2018 at 6:07 pm #148847
    Anatolyj_B
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    TLongabaugh wrote:
    
    VST2 sidechain implementation has just been released, in applicable plugins.
    
    Oh thanks ! Sounds good.
- April 7, 2018 at 1:43 am #148900
  Anatolyj_B
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  Tom i did chek just now latest versions Ultrachannel and Ultrareverb, not see sidechain channels in this plugs in Studio One 3 at least (not tried in other hosts yet). Win7 64bit VST
  - April 9, 2018 at 4:44 pm #148929
    tlongabaugh
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    Eventide Staff
    Anatolyj_B wrote:
    
    Tom i did chek just now latest versions Ultrachannel and Ultrareverb, not see sidechain channels in this plugs in Studio One 3 at least (not tried in other hosts yet). Win7 64bit VST
    
    Hi Anatolyj_B-
    
    I will have to check into why it is not appearing in Studio One. It is appearing and working properly in the other few DAWs I have checked here.
    
    -Tom
- April 9, 2018 at 5:55 pm #148932
  tlongabaugh
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  Eventide Staff
  Ok, I found the reason why it is not appearing in a few DAWs (Studio One and Bitwig, for instance). I've made the fix, and will let you know when it is pushed for release.
- April 9, 2018 at 6:13 pm #148934
  Anatolyj_B
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  Ok thanks !
- April 17, 2018 at 8:11 pm #148982
  tlongabaugh
  Moderator
  Eventide Staff
  Hey, should be fixed in the latest builds, which are now live
- April 17, 2018 at 10:12 pm #148984
  Anatolyj_B
  Participant
  Tom thanks, i check just now – now SC show up ok and works, good.
  
  (Btw what happened with Blackhole UI ? Frankly before was a much more interestingoriginal, though not a big deal, but, strange choise)
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