H90 – delay tap tempo artifacts

[Lodeman]

Hello.

Is there any feature to minimize the pitch-shifting warble when using tap tempo with delays?

 

My old device had a transparent/accurate option to minimize those artifacts:

“Accurate” respects the natural pitch fluctuations inherent when changing a real delay pedal’s time knob; “Transparent” minimizes these artifacts.”

Thanks.

 

 

[brock]

Yes, there is.  You have to select the right algorithm.  Some are are programmed to emulate ‘pitch’ / speed effects in classic gear: tape delay, as one example.

Others have a short crossfade between the changing delay times.  The Digital Delay & Reverse algorithms ‘expose’ that parameter, so you can adjust just how long that crossfade takes (within a range).

[Lodeman]

Thanks for the info.

I will take a look on the digital delay again. It is not my first option though.

 

 

 

 

[brock]

It’s not confined to just those two algorithms I mentioned.  Those are the only two where crossfade is adjustable.  I don’t have a solid list of which delays ‘pitchbend’ and which ones crossfade. I want to say it’s about half & half.

It’s easy enough to test out: pick an algo, play a note, spin the delay time parameter.  For example, I believe all of the PitchFactor algorithms with delay capabilities, crossfade.  Many of the TimeFactor ones ‘bend’.  The newer ones … a mixture of each type.

[mcvittym]

Funny, the pitch-shifting warble is a bit of a problem for me too.  I checked and the Tape Delay algorithm on the H9 sounds the same as the corresponding algorithm on the H90, except that there is no ‘warble’ on the H9 version!

[ehguitarguy92]

I am having a problem with this as well (with both MIDI clock and tap tempo) – currently using the digital delay algorithm to manage it as best as possible, but missing being able to seamlessly use the Tape/Vintage algorithms I used on my Timefactor (changes via manual or externally triggered tap tempo on the Timefactor worked with no warp or artifact issues)

[Mogens_Fosgerau]

I have the opposite question: is there a transparent delay (i.e. not bucket brigade or tube etc) that does the pitch-shifting thing? I like to use to pitch-shift on purpose, but without wanting to color my sound. Mary Halvorson does this a lot.

[apalazzolo]

Mogens_Fosgerau wrote:

I have the opposite question: is there a transparent delay (i.e. not bucket brigade or tube etc) that does the pitch-shifting thing? I like to use to pitch-shift on purpose, but without wanting to color my sound. Mary Halvorson does this a lot.

I recommend that you pick a delay that does pitch shift and turn off all the non-ideal parameters (all the flutter, wow, saturation, filter, mod, etc.).   In other words, try to make any given delay as transparent as possible.  Usually, that means setting those parameters to zero.

Tape Echo

Vintage Delay (bits = 20)

Head Space

Mod Delay

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

[Mogens_Fosgerau]

Thanks for the help!

[brock]

For extreme ‘pitch bending’ effects, the new Sticky Tape algorithm can’t be beat.  A very little goes a long way.  The same advice above applies here: minimize W&F, drive, compression to taste …  Set the Tape Speed at 30 ips.  The maximum delay time, though, will only approach slapback territory.

For longer delays – if you have both Presets available – I would pair Sticky Tape with any other delay algo.  In Series, and try routing them in either order.  Both algorithms with Mix at 100%, and fold in your dry signal at the Program Mix level.  You’ll have separate control over the pitch-bending aspect, and you can imprint that over any delay (or pitch algo with delay) that you choose.

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