H90 Wet Dry Wet Help

[ptw2uk]

Ok, I have 3 amps running for a wet/dry/wet rig and I am running my effects through a Boss ES8 switcher. I am not using midi. I finally got signal to all three amps and when the signal is clean (no compression, fuzz, boost, OD, or distortion), everything works great. But as soon as I kick on any of the gain stage pedals there is an issue. The gain pedals color the tone of not only the dry amp but also the H90/wet amps. I need to be able to have only the dry amp using those gain staging pedals while having just the h90 going to the wet amps. I have kill dry mode engaged on the global level of h90. Please help! Thanks

[tbskoglund]

Are you following these instructions for the W/D/W setup using the H90? https://cdn.eventideaudio.com/manuals/h90/1.3.0/content/setup/wet-dry-wet.html

Please provide more information about your setup (how is the H90 hooked up to the Boss switcher, where are the gain pedal in the signal path, etc.)

[joecozzi]

How are you sending signal to the dry amp?

[ptw2uk]

Setup =

Guitar into guitar input of ES8

Pre loop pedals- Tuner and Wah (not in looper)

Loop 1- Fuzz

Loop 2- Compressor

Loop 3- Ep Booster

Loop 4- POG

Loop 5- Overdrive

Loop 6- Distortion

Loop 7- H90 (stereo output)

Loop-8 (Not In Use)

Volume Loop- Gigrig Humdinger (this is splitting the signal. Send from volume loop to Humdinger, Isolated out of humdinger to dry amp, buffered output of humdinger to volume return of es8) The volume loop is placed after loop 6 and before loop 7 in the chain so that the dry signal SHOULD only be going to the dry amp and the H90 SHOULD only be outputting the signal from itself and not the prior gain stages.

Output 1 of the ES8 goes to left wet amp

Output 2 goes to right wet amp

[joecozzi]

If you have any vintage style fuzzes or wahs, turn off the main input buffer and turn the buffers off on the loops they’re in. After that you can leave the buffers in. This may be causing the tone change you’re experiencing.

[ptw2uk]

no vintage pedals

[joecozzi]

ptw2uk wrote:

Volume Loop- Gigrig Humdinger (this is splitting the signal. Send from volume loop to Humdinger, Isolated out of humdinger to dry amp, buffered output of humdinger to volume return of es8) The volume loop is placed after loop 6 and before loop 7 in the chain so that the dry signal SHOULD only be going to the dry amp and the H90 SHOULD only be outputting the signal from itself and not the prior gain stages.

If the H90 is set to Killy Dry ON, then what you say is correct, though the H90 will be receiving the prior gain stage at its input.

ptw2uk wrote:

no vintage pedals

Fuzzes do not like to see buffers before their inputs. The ES-8 is notorious for using input and output buffers as well as the individual loops. This is what I’m referring to.

[ptw2uk]

“If the H90 is set to Killy Dry ON, then what you say is correct, though the H90 will be be receiving the prior gain stage at its input.”

 

How do I prevent the prior gain stages for getting to the wet amps so I can have just the wet signal going to them? I feel like this has not been explained yet. Sorry if I am missing something.

[joecozzi]

ptw2uk wrote:

How do I prevent the prior gain stages for getting to the wet amps so I can have just the wet signal going to them? I feel like this has not been explained yet. Sorry if I am missing something.

There are two ways to accomplish this, there’s a global Kill Dry and then each Preset has a Kill Dry parameter. The most straightforward way is setting this globally. Go into the System Menu > Global > 2nd page – Set Kill Dry to ON. This way, every Program will not output a dry component to the signal, only the result of the wet effects. Keep in mind that it’s advised to run your effects in Parallel on the H90, mainly if you stack two wet effects together or three if you employ a stereo insert. If you use a serial chain, it will sound too muddy. Imagine a wet delay going into a wet reverb. Parallel routing will give you the best result.

[ptw2uk]

Beginner question… How do I turn on parallel routing? I already have kill/dry activated globally. Thanks!

[joecozzi]

Press the Routing button on the H90. With the first quick knob you can go from serial routing to parallel routing. Keep in mind routing things in parallel requires you to have two presets going to the wet amp at all times. If you only want one for any given program you can use serial routing with the THRU utility as the second algorithm.

[ptw2uk]

Got it. Thanks.

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