Logic USB via Emote as AU (No signal passing through)

[pinballmagnetic]

I want to use the h9k via usb within my Logic DAW.

Unfortunately i cant get any signal from logic to the h9000 in any way and the meters on the h9000 dont show any signal.

I’m a bit lost to how to proceed. How do i get audio from Emote (AU or VST) to and from the h9k?

This so that i can use each of the 4 effect chain channels as a separate AU/VST on an insert or aux channel in my DAW.

 

Steps i’ve taken:

-Currently my Emote software is installed, it connects with the h9k over WiFI. The connection is functional, the clock settings are correct.

-I created an aggregated device, with the h9k and my audio interface.

-This device is selected in the Logic preferences.

-The sample rate on my DAW matches that of the H9k.

-In the Emote software ive configured the fx chain to route over USB input to a USB output.

 

 

I must be missing a step and he manual is not of any help at this point. What am i missing? Some guidance would be great. Thanks!

 

 

 

 

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[vpajerski]

Can we see a screenshot of the Logic session? What is the other device of your aggregate and what order are the 2 devices in the audio MIDI setup?

[pinballmagnetic]

I’ve checked it out and the order of the aggregate device is ok.  Audio interface on top, h9k below that.

Some developments:

I can route audio directly with the io utility plugin. But there is just absolutely NO way i can get audio with the Emote AU/VST as effect on an instrument channel or aux. I am missing something……. Help would be appreciated:

 

I want the VST experience with the H9k and can’t get any audio in and out of the instrument channel to and from the Emote software to h9k and back. What am i missing?

[tbskoglund]

The I/O utility is the best option for routing audio to/from the H9000. Can you share a screenshot of your Audio MIDI setup page that shows the inputs/outputs of your aggregate device? It’s important to note the input/output numbers to route the audio properly.

On the H9000, make sure the output of the FX Chain is assigned to a USB output. Loading the Reverb Busses default session will have audio routed on the 16 USB channels.

You can also load the oscillator algorithm in your FX Chain and this will output a constant tone to make it easier to troubleshoot which tracks the audio is being output from the H9000.

[pinballmagnetic]

Thank you: With the “Reverb Busses” i can get signal to and from the DAW to the h9k (those are some amazing reverbs btw).

 

Here an overview:

The aggregated device view shows the outputs that should correspond with the IO settings in the H9k

The overview of the emote settings shows the in and out signal i can get from the IO utility.

 

 

But for some reason the Emote AU doesn’t process the audio without the IO-utility.

How should i configure the IO settings?

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[tbskoglund]

Emote is just a control application, it does not do any audio routing. All of the routing needs to be done via your DAW.

It may be easier to have the H9000 as the first device in the aggregate device. This way, inputs/outputs 1-16 in Logic will match the input/output channel numbers of the H9000 USB. If you do this, you’ll need to set Logic’s master output to be channels 17-18.

[pinballmagnetic]

Situation now:

I now have the aggregated device with h9k first.

Good thing:

Now that the IO of the H9k matches that of the aggregate device i do get signal from and to the h9k

 

Not so good:

However when i select the output corresponding with the main output of my interface for the master, i don’t get any effect signal.

I can’t wrap my head around on how to get the effect signal over my master channel output, or maybe this is as far as i am willing to go.

 

thanks

 

 

 

 

 

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[vpajerski]

You’re going in circles.  Put the aggregate back to how you had it (audio interface first).  Adjust the I/O plug-in to output and input to the correct AGGREGATE channel numbers and you’re good to go.  You’re making it hard to figure out what you’re trying cause I still didn’t see a screenshot of Logic yet (get emote out of the way).  And also show your settings for the I/O plug-in as well please.

[vpajerski]

If the audio interface is first and the H9000 second, I had to send audio out not on usb 1 & 2 but on the AGGREGATE channel number for the H9000 to see it.  For example I have 34 channels on my audio interface, so I have to send audio over channels 35 & 36 and the H9000 will see it on channels 1 & 2.

[pinballmagnetic]

Yes, this might be it. I do get proper ins and out signals when i select the h9000 as audio interface in Logic.

 

The question is how do i route the  outputs from the Emote software to the right channels?

I need a little help, the io settings are a bit confusing to me. I’m learning 😉

Thanks

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[tbskoglund]

This looks like you have the H9000 USB audio driver as your input/output device in Logic. You need to create an aggregate device with your audio interface, and then select that aggregate device as the input/output device in Logic.

0/2.0/content/setup/usbsetup.html#using-the-h9000-with-macos

[vpajerski]

If you could send a screenshot of Logic with the mixer view visible, that would help.

[pinballmagnetic]

I already have an aggregate device, this was a screenshot of a test using the h9000 interface directly. Thank you.

[vpajerski]

The screenshot of emote isn’t that helpful.  Need a screenshot of LOGIC not Emote to see how you’re trying to route signals.  As tbskoglund said, the I/O utility is your friend, but there are other ways too.

[vpajerski]

I’m sure you’re thoroughly confused right now. 😊 The plugin is definitely not a “normal” plugin.  It’s not like a reverb, delay, etc…  You can’t just stick it in an insert slot and expect it to just work.

I can get it to work in a session without an instance of emote anywhere to be seen.  Yeah, not normal, the docs really don’t explain this very well.  You can also send the output of a track to the H9000 by setting it’s output to the right channels, but then you need to setup another track and set its inputs to the right channels to get it back.

[tbskoglund]

Let me know how the documentation can be improved to explain this better. We tried to make this clear in the first section of describing how to use it as a plug-in – https://cdn.eventideaudio.com/manuals/h9000/2.0/content/emote/plugin.html

[pinballmagnetic]

The manual and tutorials skips too many steps IMO, also the marketing material gives the impression of a more managed service in the Emote software. I would expect that some of the routing hassle is abstracted away or packaged in a clear and concise interface.

The ease at which i could just toss a VST on that channel and be on my way makes me doubt why i would want Emote in the first place.

 

[vpajerski]

That’s the thing, as you stated, it’s not a plug-in, it’s really a controller.  I think people have certain expectations when you call it a plug-in.  I fully understand why it can’t do channel routing automatically but to call it a real plug-in, eh, not so much.  And for sure, it can cause confusion.  I think you need some more verbiage explaining exactly what makes it different from the rest and why.  Like the fact that you can’t target a specific chain.  Come to think of it, if you added the ability to target a chain in the UI, maybe you could make it more plug-in like?  You know the ins, you know the outs, could that work?

[tbskoglund]

Thanks for the input. We’ll see if we can improve how the plug-in is presented to avoid confusion.

I don’t think an option to target specific FX chains with an instance of Emote is something we will pursue. There are many variable with how a user can route audio from their DAW to an FX Chain and it would be difficult to account for this.

The best way to think of Emote as a plug-in is a way to automate parameters using Functions and recall your settings using the DAW state recall. Only one instance is needed and can be placed anywhere in your DAW project.

[vpajerski]

Yeah, you can put it anywhere, but the automation parameters won’t show up unless emote is a plug-in on that particular track.  So it acts like a plug-in in some ways but not in others.

[pinballmagnetic]

I got everything hooked up now with all the routing hardwired in my Logic template. Turned out I didn’t fully understand the functionalities of the Emote software. It will be all over my next EP, it sounds truly amazing. I even connected my H3000 with the H9000 and use it as a source for further processing.

 

 

[tbskoglund]

Glad to hear you got it sorted. Let me know if there is anything else I can help with. The H3000+H9000 combo sounds like a dream!

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