LOVING my brand new H90! Got a couple of questions…

[jononotbono]

Hey everyone,

So I’ve been using a couple of Eventide plugins for quite some time (I primarily play guitar in a band but also moved into film music  (scoring and sound design about 8 years ago) and weirdly this past week I bought the H9 series of plugins and also the H3000 Mk2 plugin… which then led me to instantly buy an H90. Expensive week 😂

I am absolutely in love with the sound of Eventide plugins and the H90 is quite frankly one of the greatest things I have ever bought.

Got a question if anyone could lend their experience with. I’ve only read about a 1/4 of the manual as everytime I keep reading it (only had the H90 since yesterday) I just keep trying things out and end up playing the H90 and not reading the manual so I apologise if this is covered in the manual. 😂

I was playing with a program that consisted of two algorithms and both didn’t have reverb so I turned on my Strymon Big Sky at the end of my audio chain. I also added an analogue octave pedal and an overdrive pedal. Something I soon noticed were harsh frequencies building up (I think one of the algos was shimmer). My question is, without using the dedicated algo EQ/Comrpessor, is there a way of EQing a program that has 2 algos in it so I can essentially tweak a program to be used with other pedals I own, save it as a preset, and then I can get rid of unwanted freqs? Or is this something that needs to be done in the algorithms.  Like I said, sorry if this is covered in the manual. There’s no way Eventide haven’t thought about this stuff as everything is just the best I’ve ever tried. Just curious how people deal with this type of scenario. Of course I can use EQ in a DAW when recording and mixing to remove unwated freqs but I’m thinking more from a performance live type scenario as I am without doubt gonna start doing gigs with this masterpiece.

Many thanks

Jono

Oh, if anyone is interested here’s a photo of my current pedal board (the octaswitch is tempoary as I needed something for band practises and to minimise tap dancing but it can’t control anything via midi so I’m gonna be buying a GigRig G3S next to be able to control absolutely everything with my feet). I honestly can’t believe the world of sonic possibillities I now have by owning an H90. There’s never a reason to leave the house again 😂

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[brock]

Most of the algorithms have some form of EQ (Filter, High Level, Low Level, or similar).  A Series or Parallel routing will also matter on where you target that harshness.  If you hitting the front end with that analog octaver or overdrive, you may have to dial back some of that even before the input.

Nice high end ‘board.  I think it will help to consider each pedal as one component of a large modular setup, gain-staging at every point in the chain.

You mentioned Shimmer, so there’s one thing we can break down.  There’s the overall Decay, plus the breakdown into Low Band-Mid Band-High Band Decay.  Great place to start.  Keep some focus on the Pitch Decay, too.  The pitch-shifting loops around and gets shifted again.  That can contribute to some harshness as loads up on higher / lower frequencies.

Here’s an earlier discussion on Shimmer with the H9 that still applies:  https://www.eventideaudio.com/forums/topic/h9-shimmer-pitch-decay-etc/

It’s a deep pedal, but I think you’ll find you can wring most any result you’re after from inside the H90. It’ll take a few runs through the algorithm selection.  Pay special attention to any differences between algos of the same ‘class’.  Often two algos (say, reverbs) may look like they perform identical functions.  But there’s one or two parameters unique to them that makes all the difference.

Let us know how your progression unfolds.  There is some investment involved, but it’ll be time well spent.

[jononotbono]

Thanks! Very useful information! And I’ll have a read on this forum once I finish the H90 manual. What a time to be alive to actually being able to own one of these things! 🙂

[bettyking]

jononotbono wrote:

Hey io games, So I’ve been using a couple of Eventide plugins for quite some time (I primarily play guitar in a band but also moved into film music (scoring and sound design about 8 years ago) and weirdly this past week I bought the H9 series of plugins and also the H3000 Mk2 plugin… which then led me to instantly buy an H90. Expensive week  I am absolutely in love with the sound of Eventide plugins and the H90 is quite frankly one of the greatest things I have ever bought. Got a question if anyone could lend their experience with. I’ve only read about a 1/4 of the manual as everytime I keep reading it (only had the H90 since yesterday) I just keep trying things out and end up playing the H90 and not reading the manual so I apologise if this is covered in the manual.

If you have an external EQ pedal or rack unit, you could place it after the H90 in your signal chain. This would allow you to fine-tune your overall sound without needing to adjust the algorithms directly.

[jononotbono]

Yeah I thought about it but I just don’t want another bit of gear. And what I realy want, and one of the reasons I bought the multi FX H90, is that I want each preset to sound how I want them to sound and the beauty of it being digital is that every preset can be saved and recalled. Introducing another bit of gear is another thing I have to keep track on and I don’t want to shape the entire sound. Just specific sounds, that can be recalled and sounding exactly as I want them each time.  I guess it could work with a digital EQ, that’s controllable by Midi and then when I buy a GigRig G3S, that could be programmed to change an EQ setting with the pedals when they are selected but its just way more complicated than I would like.

Having a basic EQ, in the H90, after the Algorithms would be a very useful feature. Well, to me it would be!

[tbskoglund]

Hi there,

Great to hear you are enjoying your new H90 and thanks for taking the time to post on our forum.

There is currently no global EQ outside of the algorithm parameters but this is a feature that we have considered. No timeline or guarantees at this point, but it is something that is on our radar for future updates.

As Brock mentioned, there are some EQ controls in various algorithms so it would be best to work with them for now.

[jononotbono]

Thanks so much for replying. Its only my findings after using it for the first day and having a Global EQ option would be perfect. I really don’t want to buy an EQ pedal and have the problem of trying to store EQ presets to match the presets of the H90. And I am always going to want to combine my other pedals with the H90 as its just so creative and leads to so many different sounds. It makes me so happy that having a global EQ is on your radar for future updates. That is instantly better than a developer saying “No” 😂

I’ll definitely follow Brock’s advice… for now 🙂

[jononotbono]

An example of harsh frequency build up when using other pedals with the H90. A global EQ could instantly fix that. This was just me messing around loving the H90 for the first time! But I thought I’d film some of it and record the audio through my APollo Twin X interface!

https://youtu.be/Vyebuj5uOzU?si=2d401QOHOl79x1Xg

[brock]

Always better to fix it at the ‘source’, and I don’t believe that a global EQ is going to fix that for you, jononotbono.  Not satisfactorily, anyway, without putting a phase-shifted wet blanket over it.

If that is indeed the Shimmer algorithm (and it sounds like it), the frequencies will keep on pitch-shifting up past the ceiling, while overlapping with newly shifted frequencies from input.  Only a matter of time before it clashes.

I’m going to suggest a couple of alternatives, if you want to preserve those extremely long decay trails:

Active Mixing with your Foot:

• Map an expression pedal to Pitch Decay.
• Yes, you need at least one expression pedal for the H90.
• The Start point for EXP1 at around 80-100 (base setting, to taste).
• The End point for EXP1 all the way through Pitch Freeze and / or Pitch+Verb Freeze.
• That way, you can bring the tails in & out, and pull back before the overloading begins.

EZ Change – Crystals:

• Reverse delays, but you can get similar results with a few tweaks.

Intermediate Level – Roll Your Own Shimmer:

• Combine a ‘belltree’-like delay algo (H910 H949, HarModulator, etc.) In Series with any one of the reverb algos.
• Personally, I’d take advantage of the newer SIFT refinements, like Polyphony.(Feedback Sw = In);
• That way, you can individually configure the pitch shift, delay and reverb components.  Mix ‘n’ match.

Let us know how all of this progresses for you.  It helps with the remote diagnostics if you mention the specific Programs or Presets you’re using,

[skywriter]

also loving my new H90 on my Korg Prologue! between the open source oscillator and effects and the lush H90, I can do some real deep sound design.

it also really goes great with the H9’s and other H’s in attendance :0) even goes great with some L’s and K’s…. but… ssshhhhh! :0)

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