Making an octave preset that defaults to expression toe-up?

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    • #116254
      terich
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        Hey there! 

        I use an expression pedal to control a Whammy-esque octave up / octave down. It defaults to octave down / heel position. However, I often need to quickly switch from one preset back to whammy but I want the octave UP (toe position on the expression) but I can’t seem to figure out how to do this. The ribbon element on the iPad is disabled when the expression pedal is connected. 

        Is there a way to do this? I want a preset that defaults to toe-up on the expression pedal but otherwise behaves identically.

        Thanks!

         

      • #156620
        joecozzi
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        Eventide Staff

          Which algorithm are you using?

        • #156621
          terich
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            PitchFlex

          • #156622
            joecozzi
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            Eventide Staff

              Just so I understand correctly, you're on your PITCHFLEX preset and you move your expression pedal to the Octave up position. Then, you leave that preset for another sound, but then, you go back to PITCHFLEX and want the sound to pick up where it left off, at the octave up position. Is your expression pedal in the toe position as well?

            • #156623
              terich
              Participant

                I’ll add some context to my setup. I have a bank of midi stompboxes that send a signal to summon the effects i need in my H9s. When I activate the Pitchflex preset I have created, it starts out on 1 octave down. In a lot of cases this is what I want. But I have a few songs where I need the up octave as soon as I click (e.g. I don’t want to have to hit the expression pedal too.)

                Basically I want the same present but I want it to have the octave up activated when I load the preset. Right now it always loads to the octave down position.

              • #156625
                joecozzi
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                  The thing to keep in mind, is that the algorithm doesn't take stock of where the expression pedal is until it is moved. The only way to get PITCHFLEX to give you the same pitch when you come back to it is creating a preset where the HEEL position is set to start at your original preset's TOE pitch. But, as soon as you move the expression pedal, it reverses the direction of the pitch control (because you already started in the higher octave). If all you need is to hear the pitch where you originally left off, this works. But if you need to continue using the pedal after going back to PITCHFLEX this is not going to work, unless you can deal with it functioning in the opposite direction.

                • #156627
                  joecozzi
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                    I was able to do it using MIDI. I connected my expression pedal to my MIDI controller and assigned it CC#0.

                    1) I programmed Button 1 on my controller to send a program change to my PITCHFLEX preset.

                    2) i programmed Button 2 on my controller to send a program change to the same preset, but it also sends CC #0 of my expression pedal with value 127.

                    Now, every time I press Button 2, it will load the PITCHFLEX preset but in the toe position. My expression pedal still works the same as before.

                    Try this and see if it works for you.

                  • #156628
                    joecozzi
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                    Eventide Staff

                      I forgot to state that you need to assign CC#0 to the H9's expression pedal MIDI mapping. On H9 Control you can find it under the "Pedal Settings" tab, "MIDI Setting", then "Assign MIDI CC messages to pedal functions". Look for "Set expression pedal value (aka HotKnob value) and assign in CC#0.

                    • #156630
                      terich
                      Participant

                        Oh that’s smart. Gotcha. So… I would need my midi controller to send the toe up signal with the program change? Sadly I don’t think my midi controller does anything but program change, but that’s good to know

                      • #156631
                        joecozzi
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                        Eventide Staff

                          Yes, one button press on your controller needs to send two commands, the program change and the expression value of 127, which corresponds to the toe up position.

                          Which controller do you have? I’ll try and see if it’s possible.

                        • #156634
                          joecozzi
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                          Eventide Staff

                            According to the Molten Voltage “Master Control” manual, it does not send CC information. Sorry, my method won’t be possible with this device.

                          • #156636
                            joecozzi
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                            Eventide Staff

                              The controller I use the most is the Morningstar MC6mkII. But I also have the Disaster Area Designs DPC-05 and the Musicomlabs EFX-MKV. Based on your picture, the MC6 would look great on your board and it's super easy to use.

                            • #157635
                              terich
                              Participant

                                LOL I totally forgot about this post but I have a Morningstar MC8 now and can totally do this

                              • #156624
                                terich
                                Participant
                                  joecozzi wrote:

                                  Just so I understand correctly, you’re on your PITCHFLEX preset and you move your expression pedal to the Octave up position. Then, you leave that preset for another sound, but then, you go back to PITCHFLEX and want the sound to pick up where it left off, at the octave up position. Is your expression pedal in the toe position as well?

                                  This would work too, but I was specifically thinking it would also be fine if I could load the preset with high octave by default.

                                • #156626
                                  terich
                                  Participant
                                    joecozzi wrote:

                                    The thing to keep in mind, is that the algorithm doesn’t take stock of where the expression pedal is until it is moved. The only way to get PITCHFLEX to give you the same pitch when you come back to it is creating a preset where the HEEL position is set to start at your original preset’s TOE pitch. But, as soon as you move the expression pedal, it reverses the direction of the pitch control (because you already started in the higher octave). If all you need is to hear the pitch where you originally left off, this works. But if you need to continue using the pedal after going back to PITCHFLEX this is not going to work, unless you can deal with it functioning in the opposite direction.

                                    I don’t need the pitch to be where I left it, I just want the effect to start in the TOE position instead of the HEEL position. And I’m fine to create a new bank and new preset for it, I just want two options: starting the algorithm in octave down / HEEL and starting it in octave up / TOE. Doesn’t have to be the same MIDI signal or pedal or channel, just need the same algorithm with two different starting points, happy to trigger them separately.

                                  • #156632
                                    terich
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                                      joecozzi wrote:
                                      Yes, one button press on your controller needs to send two commands, the program change and the expression value of 127, which corresponds to the toe up position. Which controller do you have? I’ll try and see if it’s possible.

                                      I use the Molten Voltage “Master Control” with the extra footswitches.

                                    • #156635
                                      terich
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                                        joecozzi wrote:
                                        According to the Molten Voltage “Master Control” manual, it does not send CC information. Sorry, my method won’t be possible with this device.

                                        No worries, thanks for trying! For the record, what controller are you using?

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