Pink Floyd “The Wall” Guitar FX

[J20056]

Hi. What FX in the H7600 would help replicate Gilmour's lead guitar tone in solos like Comfortably Numb? I have the raw distortion tone pretty close with a Mesa TriAxis, but I need to nail the flanger + rotator effects. I believe he used an Electric Mistress flanger, and either a UniVibe or actual Leslie cabs for the spacy rotational tone.
Help appreciated!

[IDeangelis]

Try tweaking the MIDI Racks. They have all the tools to make that sound possible.

best

I 

[prot]

see this page:
http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=50

cheers,
prot

[J20056]

Thanks Prot. I am a avid reader of gilmourish.com, but my question was really how to in fact go from the effects they describe on that site to the H7600. I do own analog pedals such as the Electirc Mistress, the Big Muff, and other pedals that David uses. However, a lot of his pedals have been tweaked by Pete Cornish and others to make them less noisy. To be honest, the main reason I bought the H7600 was to replace these anlog pedals with a better digital platform that could be programmed to do that. Although I have no doubts that the H7600 can do it, there is first a lot of fishing in the preset library, although it seems like the Midi VirtRacks is a good starting point. I am closing in on the tone, and the noise factor is better indeed, but I now have to learn how to equate the terms on the analog pedals to the more technical (and correct) terms that a DSP enginner, and Vsigfile developer, tends to program. I found some good links on Harmony-Central that describes the parameters of standard effects such as flanger, chorus and others. I am now learning in full depth how these function, so I can understand how the H7600 presets operate after I download them into Vsigfile. It's interesting actually.

So thanks for the info, but as I said, the task at hand now is to "translate" analog pedal parameters into what VirtRacks and the H7600 understands.

[prot]

I see your point.
However I relay doubt that someone can give us the precise script for the tone that we like.
Its quite impossible as each of us uses different guitar, amp, cabinet, room and?fingers 😉 so even if we replicate FX factor it will still not be the same.

But personally for me, the most important factor to approach masters DG 80/90?s tone was to get start with EMG SA pickups. I have also other starts but only the one with EMG SA has Gilmour inside ;).

Just my 2 cents.

[IDeangelis]

 Hi j

you don't really need any DSP engineering/programming to get the FX you want.

Slow chorus and/or some phasing can easily get that Gilmour tone. Short delay time with slow modulation and some feedback…not too much…short to become a flanger.

Use your ears!

best

I 

[J20056]

Agree on the use your ears, but having said that … my Strat is indeed an EMG pickups and electronics, and I have the Big Muff / Electric Mistress / Boss CS-2 / MXR Phase 90 and so on analog pedals, and I still can't nail that tone. I get close, so close, but alas so far away…
I can get a really nice tone, which I sort of consider my base lead tone now, but I really love this sort of rotational, spacey additional effects that he has, and that none of these pedals can reproduce. Gilmour uses these small Yamaha rotating speakers that they call "doppolas", which might have a lot to do with it. I was hoping there might be some H7600 "spatial" presets that would do that, and that I could combine to my pedals via the SwitchBlade.
Anyways, I'm now spending more time creating tones that I like, that are MINE.
But admittedly, nailing this tone was / still is a holy grail search for some of us somehow.

[IDeangelis]

 HEADM adc 2 2 freqshift-out freqshift1-out "Gilmour Stuff" Empty 1 menupage-obj ;=0,0,100,0
MENUPAGE menupage menupage menupage 4 knob-obj knob2-obj percentknob-obj percentknob2-obj ;=150,675,100,0
KNOB knob "L freq: %5.2f Hz" knob -10 10 0.01 1.4 ;=150,425,100,0
KNOB knob2 "R freq: %5.2f Hz" knob -10 10 0.01 -1.4 ;=150,525,100,0
PERCENTKNOB percentknob "L fback: %4.0f %%" percent -100 100 1 40 ;=300,425,100,0
PERCENTKNOB percentknob2 "R fback: %4.0f %%" percent -100 100 1 -40 ;=300,525,100,0
MIX mix adc-in1 freqshift-out 1 percentknob-out ;=600,75,100,0
MIX mix1 adc-in2 freqshift1-out 1 percentknob2-out ;=600,250,100,0
FREQSHIFT freqshift mix-out knob-out ;=750,100,100,0
FREQSHIFT freqshift1 mix1-out knob2-out ;=750,225,100,0

Here's a great trick that Pink Floyd have been using on many records.

2 frequency shifters at moderate rate (0.8 > 1.5 Hz), in "mirror" settings (+/-), with some feedback to add a little swoosh (use it at your taste- whith high settings you get a special flange flavor). This will give you that liquid spatial panning! Try at full wet or at 50/50 dry/wet. I prefer full wet. It's very close to Gilmour thing. Try putting the fx at the very end of the fx chain for more dramatic results…or experiment with placement at your taste.

Tech Note:

try copying and pasting the code above in Vsig. It's the text format. Should work. I have tried here.

Let me know….

I 

[J20056]

OK, just got an hour to try this. The text file works just fine thanks a lot. Now I know what a negative feedback value means. I like this, it does get closer, although more like 50-50 dry/wet mix.
I am now integrating this code into a larger patch. I like Midi VirtRacks #3 for the trem + delay + reverb (I turned off chorus and phaser). I'll add the new algo you gave me (I named it "Floyd DeAngelis") at the end of Racks#3.
I'm using my floor Boss CS-2 compressor, otherwise, 100% Eventide! I have a good TriAxis setting that comes close to the muff + Hiwatt tone, but less noise and nice tube behavior.
I'll circulate the patch once its finished.

[J20056]

italo,

I tried combining your "Floyd" algorithm at the end of VirtRacks#3, but it doesn't compile. I get an error on the Vsigfile window that says:

Loader: invalid short immediate: 0x166 at 0x1
loadpass: error for codegen 1E (freqshift)
Some error occured while trying
to load compiled program.
Program not loaded.

Meanwhile, the H7600 says: "ERROR This system does not contain a module needed for this program"

Here is the code below. It's sort of dirty, because I did not clean up ther menus (not that good with them yet), I simply added your dual freqShift at +/- 1.4Hz at the end with hard coded feedback and mix levels into the two mixers.

HEADM adc 2 2 freqshift-out freqshift1-out "Midi VirtRack #3" "" 7 m_menu-obj tremenu-obj chorusmenu-obj dlymenu-obj phasermenu-obj verbmenu-obj info-obj ;=725,-25,100,0
MIXER intrim 2 adc-in1 adc-in2 kintrim-out kintrim-out ;=825,25,100,0
TEXTBLOCK info 11 "Fm tremolo > chorus > dual delay >" "phaser > reverb. Series routing." "Set wet/dry to 100%% wet. This preset" "can store 10 tweaks. All params marked" "with a * are remembered by each tweak," "which can be remotely recalled with a" "midi cc message and the tweak# knob." "Set your pedalboard 10 switches to" "sendthe same midi cc#, with values 1 to" "10 to recall tweaks 1>10." "Summed in, stereo out. " ;=825,650,100,0
MENUPAGE m_menu "master params" main 18 ktremsw1-obj chrssw-obj kdlysw-obj kphsw-obj tremswmon1-obj chrswmon-obj dlyswmon-obj phswmon-obj "vrb shft-obj" dummy-obj kintrim-obj kogn-obj vrbswmon-obj dummy-obj dummy-obj tweak-obj adc-nullobj "ext tweak-obj" ;=975,650,100,0
TEXTLINE dummy "" ;=1125,650,100,0
MULTIKNOB kintrim "in trim : %3.0f dB*" 1 -20 0 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 ;=700,50,100,0
EXTCONTROL "ext tweak" "ext tweak" -1536 0 0 0 ;=100,50,100,0
C_MULTIPLY cc_multiply "ext tweak-out" 128 ;=250,50,100,0
SKNOB3 tweak " <<<>>>" sknob 0 1 1 tweak-out 1 10 cc_multiply-out ;=400,50,100,0
C_TABLE M_tweaks 11 tweak-out 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ;=550,50,100,0
MENUPAGE tremenu "fm trem params" "fm trem" 6 ktrlev-obj kmix-obj kdepth-obj ksns-obj tweak-obj ratemenu-obj ;=1275,650,100,0
MENUPAGE ratemenu "rate params" rate 8 kt_rate-obj kt_fmrate-obj rate1-obj kpol-obj ktratemon-obj kt_fmtratemon-obj rate2-obj polmon-obj ;=825,625,100,0
MULTIKNOB ktremsw1 "trem switch: %1.0f *" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 ;=825,150,100,0
TMONITOR tremswmon1 ktremsw1-out " %s" tmonitor 2 off on ;=975,150,100,0
ISWITCH tremswl1 2 ktremsw1-out adc-null intrim-out ;=1000,175,100,0
MULTIKNOB ksns "sens : %3.0f dB*" 1 -48 48 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 5 7 16 4 0 8 7 14 35 10 ;=975,175,100,0
GAIN gain tremswl1-out ksns-out ;=1250,275,100,0
PEAK detect gain-out 0.1 0.1 ;=1275,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kt_rate "t_rate set: %2.0f>>*" 1 1 31 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 21 20 21 26 18 21 13 13 22 13 ;=700,75,100,0
MULTIKNOB kt_fmrate "t_fmrt set: %2.0f>>*" 1 1 31 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 24 24 24 4 24 19 27 27 4 31 ;=700,100,100,0
TMONITOR ktratemon kt_rate-out "sweeps a: %s" tmonitor 32 dummy " 4 bars" " 3 bars" " 2 bars" "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" " dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" " 9/16 note" " 1/2 note" " 7/16 note" " dot 1/4" " 1/2 trip" " 5/16 note" " 1/4 note" " dot 1/8" " 1/4 trip" " 1/8 note" " dot 1/16" " 1/8 trip" " 1/16 note" " dot 1/32" " 1/16 trip" " 1/32 note" " dot 1/64" " 1/32 trip" " 1/64 note" " off" ;=825,175,100,0
TMONITOR kt_fmtratemon kt_fmrate-out "sweeps a: %s" tmonitor 32 dummy " 4 bars" " 3 bars" " 2 bars" "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" " dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" " 9/16 note" " 1/2 note" " 7/16 note" " dot 1/4" " 1/2 trip" " 5/16 note" " 1/4 note" " dot 1/8" " 1/4 trip" " 1/8 note" " dot 1/16" " 1/8 trip" " 1/16 note" " dot 1/32" " 1/16 trip" " 1/32 note" " dot 1/64" " 1/32 trip" " 1/64 note" " off" ;=825,200,100,0
C_TABLE table_1 32 kt_rate-out 0 0.0625 0.0833 0.125 0.25 0.2667 0.2875 0.3077 0.3333 0.3636 0.375 0.4 0.4444 0.5 0.5714 0.6667 0.75 0.8 1 1.3333 1.5 2 2.6667 3.0003 4 5.3333 6.0026 8 10.6736 12.0051 16 0 ;=825,225,100,0
C_TABLE table_2 32 kt_fmrate-out 0 0.0625 0.0833 0.125 0.25 0.2667 0.2875 0.3077 0.3333 0.3636 0.375 0.4 0.4444 0.5 0.5714 0.6667 0.75 0.8 1 1.3333 1.5 2 2.6667 3.0003 4 5.3333 6.0026 8 10.6736 12.0051 16 0 ;=825,250,100,0
MIDICLOCK midiclock 0.5 2 0 0 1 3 ;=825,600,100,0
C_MULTIPLY math1 table_1-out midiclock-freq_out ;=975,225,100,0
C_MULTIPLY math2 table_2-out midiclock-freq_out ;=975,250,100,0
SKNOB3 rate1 "rate : %5.2f Hz" "" 0 0.01 4 rate1-out 0 99 math1-out ;=1275,150,100,0
SKNOB3 rate2 "fmrate : %5.2f Hz" "" 0 0.01 8 rate2-out 0 99 math2-out ;=1275,175,100,0
LFO trlfo detect-out rate1-out rate2-out 2 0.5 0 ;=1425,25,100,0
MOD_SLEW slew1 trlfo-out 0.01 0.01 ;=1575,25,100,0
SCALE mirror1 slew1-out -1 ;=1725,25,100,0
CONSTANT constant 1 ;=1725,150,100,0
ADD mirror_fix1 mirror1-out constant-out ;=1875,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kpol "lfo mode : %1.0f>>*" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 ;=1875,150,100,0
TMONITOR polmon kpol-out " %s" tmonitor 2 sync oppose ;=2025,150,100,0
SWITCH polsw 2 kpol-out slew1-out mirror_fix1-out ;=2025,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kdepth "depth: %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 100 92 100 94 95 96 97 100 100 100 ;=700,125,100,0
C_MULTIPLY math4 kdepth-out 0.01 ;=2025,175,100,0
MULTIKNOB kmix "mix : %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 50 82 100 84 85 80 87 100 100 90 ;=700,150,100,0
C_MULTIPLY c_multiply1 kmix-out 0.01 ;=825,275,100,0
C_SUBTRACT sub1 1 c_multiply1-out ;=2025,200,100,0
AMPMOD trem1 tremswl1-out slew1-out math4-out sub1-out ;=2175,25,100,0
AMPMOD trem2 tremswl1-out polsw-out math4-out sub1-out ;=2325,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB ktrlev "level: %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 100 64 100 60 40 80 50 100 100 15 ;=700,175,100,0
C_MULTIPLY trlevmult ktrlev-out 0.01 ;=2325,150,100,0
SCALE trlevl trem1-out trlevmult-out ;=2475,25,100,0
SCALE trlevr trem2-out trlevmult-out ;=2625,25,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch3 2 ktremsw1-out intrim-out trlevl-out ;=2775,25,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch4 2 ktremsw1-out intrim-out trlevr-out ;=2925,25,100,0
MENUPAGE chorusmenu "chorus params" chorus 8 kchrlev-obj kchdly-obj kchrate-obj t_rate-obj tweak-obj kchdepth-obj kchfdbk-obj tratemon-obj ;=1425,650,100,0
MULTIKNOB chrssw "chorus switch: %1.0f *" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 ;=2925,150,100,0
TMONITOR chrswmon chrssw-out " %s" tmonitor 2 off on ;=3075,150,100,0
ISWITCH chswl 2 chrssw-out adc-null iswitch3-out ;=3075,25,100,0
ISWITCH chswr 2 chrssw-out adc-null iswitch4-out ;=3225,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB t_rate "t_rt set: %2.0f >>>*" 1 1 32 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 4 4 3 1 3 3 5 4 4 1 ;=700,200,100,0
TMONITOR tratemon t_rate-out "sweeps a: %s" tmonitor 33 dummy "4 bars" "3 bars" "2 bars" "dot whole" "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" "dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" "9/16 note" "1/2 note" "7/16 note" "dot 1/4" "1/2 trip" "5/16 note" "1/4 note" "dot 1/8" "1/4 trip" "1/8 note" "dot 1/16" "1/8 trip" "1/16 note" "dot 1/32" "1/16 trip" "1/32 note" "dot 1/64" "1/32 trip" "1/64 note" " off" ;=825,300,100,0
C_TABLE chratetable 33 t_rate-out 0 0.062 0.083 0.125 0.166 0.25 0.2667 0.2875 0.3077 0.3333 0.3636 0.375 0.4 0.4444 0.5 0.5714 0.6667 0.75 0.8 1 1.3333 1.5 2 2.6667 3.0003 4 5.3333 6.0026 8 10.6736 12.0051 16 0 ;=825,325,100,0
C_MULTIPLY chmath chratetable-out midiclock-freq_out ;=975,325,100,0
SKNOB3 kchrate "rate : %5.2f Hz" "" 0 0.01 0.332 kchrate-out 0 99 chmath-out ;=3375,150,100,0
LFO lfo adc-null kchrate-out 0 1 0.5 0.5 ;=3525,150,100,0
MIX chfdbk lfo-out adc-null -1 0 ;=3675,150,100,0
MULTIKNOB kchdly "delay : %4.1f ms *" 1 0 50 0.1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 8 15.9993 45 4 1.8 1.8 45 2.6 1.8 25 ;=3525,275,100,0
MULTIKNOB kchdepth "depth : %4.1f ms *" 1 0 50 0.1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 2.8 4.0003 1 6 1.9998 3.0999 1 1.6 2.9997 0.5 ;=3525,300,100,0
MULTIKNOB kchfdbk "fback : %4.0f %% *" 1 -100 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 -10 0 40 -84 -15 -33 0 25 -21 0 ;=700,225,100,0
C_MULTIPLY c_multiply6 kchfdbk-out 0.01 ;=3225,150,100,0
MIX chfbkl chswl-out chorusl-out 1 c_multiply6-out ;=3375,25,100,0
MIX chfbkr chswr-out chorusr-out 1 c_multiply6-out ;=3525,25,100,0
MODDELAY chorusl 50 chfbkl-out lfo-out kchdly-out kchdepth-out 5 ;=3675,25,100,0
MODDELAY chorusr 50 chfbkr-out chfdbk-out kchdly-out kchdepth-out 5 ;=3825,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kchrlev "level : %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 75 100 50 90 100 100 100 50 50 72 ;=700,250,100,0
C_MULTIPLY c_multiply4 kchrlev-out 0.01 ;=3825,150,100,0
SCALE chlvll chorusl-out c_multiply4-out ;=3975,25,100,0
SCALE chlvlr chorusr-out c_multiply4-out ;=4125,25,100,0
ADD chadl iswitch3-out chlvll-out ;=4275,25,100,0
ADD chadr iswitch4-out chlvlr-out ;=4425,25,100,0
MENUPAGE dlymenu "delay params" delay 13 kdlylevl-obj kdlylevr-obj t_dlyl-obj t_dlyr-obj kstdlyl-obj kstdlyr-obj tdlymonl-obj tdlymonr-obj kfdbkl-obj kfdbkr-obj khicut-obj tweak-obj adc-nullobj ;=1575,650,100,0
MULTIKNOB kdlysw "delay switch: %1.0f *" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 ;=4425,150,100,0
TMONITOR dlyswmon kdlysw-out " %s" tmonitor 2 off on ;=4575,150,100,0
ISWITCH dlswl 2 kdlysw-out adc-null chadl-out ;=4575,25,100,0
ISWITCH dlswr 2 kdlysw-out adc-null chadr-out ;=4725,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kfdbkl "l fback: %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 44 47 40 20 56 40 25 35 25 25 ;=700,275,100,0
MULTIKNOB kfdbkr "r fback: %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 36 20 40 20 25 40 25 35 25 25 ;=700,300,100,0
C_MULTIPLY c_multiply2 kfdbkl-out 0.01 ;=4725,150,100,0
C_MULTIPLY c_multiply3 kfdbkr-out 0.01 ;=4875,150,100,0
MIX dlfbl dlswl-out highcut1-out 1 c_multiply2-out ;=4875,25,100,0
MIX dlfbr dlswr-out highcut2-out 1 c_multiply3-out ;=5025,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB t_dlyl "t_dly l set: %2.0f>>>*" 1 1 29 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 15 17 27 12 18 13 28 27 18 15 ;=700,325,100,0
MULTIKNOB t_dlyr "t_dly r set: %2.0f>>>*" 1 1 29 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 12 15 26 10 15 17 27 28 15 12 ;=700,350,100,0
TMONITOR tdlymonl t_dlyl-out "plays a: %s" tmonitor 30 dummy "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" "dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" "9/16 note" "1/2 note" "7/16 note" "dot 1/4" "1/2 trip" "5/16 note" "1/4 note" "dot 1/8" "1/4 trip" "1/8 note" "dot 1/16" "1/8 trip" "1/16 note" "dot 1/32" "1/16 trip" "1/32 note" "dot 1/64" "1/32 trip" "1/64 note" "short dly" off ;=825,350,100,0
TMONITOR tdlymonr t_dlyr-out "plays a: %s" tmonitor 30 dummy "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" "dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" "9/16 note" "1/2 note" "7/16 note" "dot 1/4" "1/2 trip" "5/16 note" "1/4 note" "dot 1/8" "1/4 trip" "1/8 note" "dot 1/16" "1/8 trip" "1/16 note" "dot 1/32" "1/16 trip" "1/32 note" "dot 1/64" "1/32 trip" "1/64 note" "short dly" off ;=825,375,100,0
C_TABLE tdlyltable 30 t_dlyl-out 0 4000 3750 3500 3250 3000 2750 2666.6999 2500 2250 2000 1750 1500 1333.3 1250 1000 750 666.7 500 375 333.3 250 187.5 166.6 125 93.7 83.3 62.5 7.81 0 ;=825,400,100,0
C_TABLE tdlyrtable 30 t_dlyr-out 0 4000 3750 3500 3250 3000 2750 2666.6999 2500 2250 2000 1750 1500 1333.3 1250 1000 750 666.7 500 375 333.3 250 187.5 166.6 125 93.7 83.3 62.5 7.81 0 ;=825,425,100,0
C_MULTIPLY tdlylmath tdlyltable-out midiclock-time_out ;=975,400,100,0
C_MULTIPLY tdlymath tdlyrtable-out midiclock-time_out ;=975,425,100,0
SKNOB3 kstdlyl "l delay: %4.0f ms" "" 0 1 500 kstdlyl-out 0 2000 tdlylmath-out ;=5025,150,100,0
SKNOB3 kstdlyr "r delay: %4.0f ms" "" 0 1 750 kstdlyr-out 0 2000 tdlymath-out ;=5175,150,100,0
MODDELAY dlyl 2001 dlfbl-out adc-null kstdlyl-out 0 0 ;=5175,25,100,0
MODDELAY dlyr 2001 dlfbr-out adc-null kstdlyr-out 0 0 ;=5325,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB khicut "hicut : %5.0f Hz*" 1 200 20000 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 200 6500 4000 7000 6000 5400 4800 8000 6800 8650 6000 ;=5325,150,100,0
HIGHCUT highcut1 dlyl-out khicut-out ;=5475,25,100,0
HIGHCUT highcut2 dlyr-out khicut-out ;=5625,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kdlylevl "l level : %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 35 30 80 35 30 30 50 41 40 30 ;=700,375,100,0
MULTIKNOB kdlylevr "r level : %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 35 30 80 35 30 30 50 41 40 30 ;=700,400,100,0
C_MULTIPLY ldlylvlmath kdlylevl-out 0.01 ;=5625,150,100,0
C_MULTIPLY rdlylvlmath kdlylevr-out 0.01 ;=5775,150,100,0
SCALE dlylvl highcut1-out ldlylvlmath-out ;=5775,25,100,0
SCALE dlylvr highcut2-out rdlylvlmath-out ;=5925,25,100,0
ADD dlyadl dlylvl-out chadl-out ;=6075,25,100,0
ADD dlyadr dlylvr-out chadr-out ;=6225,25,100,0
MENUPAGE phasermenu "phaser params" phaser 15 kphlvl-obj kmix1-obj t_rate1-obj krate-obj kdpt-obj kfbk-obj tratemon1-obj tweak-obj kshape-obj kmodsw-obj kpansw-obj dummy-obj shapemon-obj modswmon-obj panmon-obj ;=1725,650,100,0
MULTIKNOB kfbk "fback : %4.0f %% *" 1 -100 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 70 71 50 73 74 -50 -20 77 -50 45 40 ;=700,425,100,0
C_MULTIPLY c_multiply kfbk-out 0.01 ;=6225,150,100,0
MIX rfeed dlyadl-out lp2-out 1 c_multiply-out ;=6375,25,100,0
MIX rfeed1 dlyadr-out rp2-out 1 c_multiply-out ;=6525,25,100,0
COMB comb 10 rfeed1-out 0.9297 0 ;=6675,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kpansw "pan mode : %1.0f >>*" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 ;=6675,150,100,0
TMONITOR panmon kpansw-out " %s" tmonitor 2 normal wide ;=6825,275,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch 2 kpansw-out rfeed1-out comb-out ;=6825,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kdpt "depth : %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 50 50 50 53 54 50 50 57 50 45 50 ;=700,450,100,0
C_MULTIPLY kdptmult kdpt-out 0.01 ;=6825,300,100,0
PHASESHIFT lp1 12 rfeed-out modsw-out kdptmult-out ;=6975,25,100,0
PHASESHIFT lp2 12 lp1-out lfo1-out kdptmult-out ;=7125,25,100,0
PHASESHIFT rp1 12 iswitch-out mirror-out kdptmult-out ;=7275,25,100,0
PHASESHIFT rp2 12 rp1-out modsw-out kdptmult-out ;=7425,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kphlvl "level : %4.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 100 100 50 51 100 100 50 100 100 100 ;=700,475,100,0
C_MULTIPLY kphlvmult kphlvl-out 0.01 ;=7425,150,100,0
SCALE scale1 lp2-out kphlvmult-out ;=7575,25,100,0
SCALE scale2 rp2-out kphlvmult-out ;=7725,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB t_rate1 "t_rt set: %2.0f>>>*" 1 1 32 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 5 3 3 1 5 1 5 5 1 5 ;=700,500,100,0
TMONITOR tratemon1 t_rate1-out "sweeps a: %s" tmonitor 33 dummy "4 bars" "3 bars" "2 bars" "dot whole" "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" "dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" "9/16 note" "1/2 note" "7/16 note" "dot 1/4" "1/2 trip" "5/16 note" "1/4 note" "dot 1/8" "1/4 trip" "1/8 note" "dot 1/16" "1/8 trip" "1/16 note" "dot 1/32" "1/16 trip" "1/32 note" "dot 1/64" "1/32 trip" "1/64 note" " off" ;=825,500,100,0
C_TABLE tratetable 33 t_rate1-out 0 0.062 0.083 0.125 0.166 0.25 0.2667 0.2875 0.3077 0.3333 0.3636 0.375 0.4 0.4444 0.5 0.5714 0.6667 0.75 0.8 1 1.3333 1.5 2 2.6667 3.0003 4 5.3333 6.0026 8 10.6736 12.0051 16 0 ;=825,525,100,0
C_MULTIPLY tratemath tratetable-out midiclock-freq_out ;=975,525,100,0
SKNOB3 krate "rate : %5.2f Hz" "" 0 0.01 0.5 krate-out 0 99.99 tratemath-out ;=6825,325,100,0
MULTIKNOB kshape "mode : %1.0f >>*" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 ;=6825,350,100,0
TMONITOR shapemon kshape-out " %s" tmonitor 2 sine triangle ;=6975,350,100,0
LFO lfo1 adc-null krate-out 0 kshape-out 0.5 0 ;=6975,150,100,0
SCALE mirror lfo1-out -1 ;=7125,150,100,0
MULTIKNOB kmodsw "sync mode : %1.0f >>*" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 ;=6675,175,100,0
TMONITOR modswmon kmodsw-out " %s" tmonitor 2 normal invert ;=6825,375,100,0
SWITCH modsw 2 kmodsw-out lfo1-out mirror-out ;=6825,150,100,0
MULTIKNOB kmix1 "mix : %3.0f %% *" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 90 100 30 93 94 33 28 97 40 25 25 ;=700,525,100,0
C_MULTIPLY mixmult kmix1-out 0.01 ;=7725,150,100,0
C_SUBTRACT sub 1 mixmult-out ;=7725,175,100,0
MIX mix1 dlyadl-out scale1-out sub-out mixmult-out ;=7875,25,100,0
MIX mix2 dlyadr-out scale2-out sub-out mixmult-out ;=8025,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kphsw "phaser switch: %1.0f *" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 ;=8025,150,100,0
TMONITOR phswmon kphsw-out " %s" tmonitor 2 off on ;=8175,150,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch1 2 kphsw-out adc-null mix1-out ;=8175,25,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch2 2 kphsw-out adc-null mix2-out ;=8325,25,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch5 2 kphsw-out dlyadl-out adc-null ;=8475,25,100,0
ISWITCH iswitch6 2 kphsw-out dlyadr-out adc-null ;=8625,25,100,0
ADD phadl iswitch5-out iswitch1-out ;=8775,25,100,0
ADD phadr iswitch6-out iswitch2-out ;=8925,25,100,0
MENUPAGE verbmenu "verb params" verb 16 kvblvl-obj t_dcy-obj krdcy-obj ksize-obj kvbpdly-obj tdcymon-obj dummy-obj tweak-obj kvbhicut-obj kvblocut-obj kvbhifrq-obj kvblwfrq-obj kmdepth-obj kmrate-obj kmspan-obj kglide-obj ;=1875,650,100,0
MULTIKNOB "vrb shft" "verb switch: %1.0f *" 1 0 1 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 ;=8925,150,100,0
TMONITOR vrbswmon "vrb shft-out" " %s" tmonitor 2 off on ;=9075,150,100,0
ISWITCH vbswl 2 "vrb shft-out" adc-null phadl-out ;=9075,25,100,0
ISWITCH vbswr 2 "vrb shft-out" adc-null phadr-out ;=9225,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB t_dcy "t_dcy set: %2.0f>>*" 1 1 32 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1 9 10 11 8 10 11 10 11 11 10 ;=700,550,100,0
TMONITOR tdcymon t_dcy-out "plays a: %s" tmonitor 33 dummy " 10 bars" " 9 bars" " 8 bars " " 7 bars" " 6 bars" " 5 bars" " 4 bars" " 3 bars" " 2 bars" " dot whole" "whole note" "15/16 note" "14/16 note" "13/16 note" " dot 1/2" "11/16 note" "whole trip" "10/16 note" " 9/16 note" " 1/2 note" " 7/16 note" " dot 1/4" " 1/2 trip" " 5/16 note" " 1/4 note" " dot 1/8" " 1/4 trip" " 1/8 note" " dot 1/16" " 1/8 trip" " 1/16 note" " off" ;=825,550,100,0
C_TABLE table6 33 t_dcy-out 0 40 36 32 28 24 20 16 12 8 6 4 3.75 3.5 3.25 3 2.75 2.6667 2.5 2.25 2 1.75 1.5 1.3333 1.25 1 0.75 0.6667 0.5 0.375 0.3333 0.25 0 ;=825,575,100,0
C_MULTIPLY math6 table6-out midiclock-time_out ;=975,575,100,0
SKNOB3 krdcy "decay : %6.2f s" "" 0 0.01 4 krdcy-out 0 999.99 math6-out ;=9225,150,100,0
PERCENTKNOB ksize "rsize : %4.0f %%" "" 0 100 1 100 ;=9225,175,100,0
MULTIKNOB kvbpdly "predly : %3.0f ms *" 1 0 165 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 30 39 38 60 23 60 42 20 25 40 ;=9225,200,100,0
MULTIKNOB kvbhifrq "hifreq : %5.0f Hz *" 1 1000 20000 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 1000 6500 6800 6800 6800 8800 8400 6800 6850 6600 6800 ;=9225,225,100,0
MULTIKNOB kvblwfrq "lowfreq: %4.0f Hz *" 1 20 1000 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 20 220 200 210 200 180 240 180 180 20 220 ;=9225,250,100,0
MULTIKNOB kvblocut "lowcut : %5.1f dB *" 1 -20 0 0.1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 0 0 -0.5 0 -0.4 0 -0.5 -1 -1 -0.5 ;=9225,275,100,0
MULTIKNOB kvbhicut "hicut : %5.1f dB *" 1 -20 0 0.1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 -1.0001 -1 -1 -2 -1 -2 -1.0001 -1 -1.0001 -1 ;=9225,300,100,0
KNOB kmdepth "depth: %5.1f ms" "" 0 10 0.1 1.5199 ;=9225,325,100,0
PERCENTKNOB kmrate "rate : %4.0f %%" "" 0 100 1 13 ;=9225,350,100,0
PERCENTKNOB kmspan "span : %4.0f %%" "" 0 100 1 100 ;=9225,375,100,0
PERCENTKNOB kglide "glide: %4.0f %%" "" 0 100 1 0 ;=9225,400,100,0
REVERB_D reverb_d 2000 12 vbswl-out vbswr-out krdcy-out ksize-out kvbpdly-out kvblwfrq-out kvbhifrq-out kvblocut-out kvbhicut-out kmdepth-out kmrate-out kmspan-out kglide-out 35.7 35.4 38.3 40.5 57.7 51.9 71.3 66.5 92.3 93.2 117.6 113.3 ;=9375,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kvblvl "level : %3.0f %%*" 1 0 100 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 46 35 60 50 60 40 60 75 44 48 ;=700,575,100,0
C_MULTIPLY vblvlmult kvblvl-out 0.01 ;=9375,150,100,0
SCALE vblvl reverb_d-left vblvlmult-out ;=9525,25,100,0
SCALE vblvr reverb_d-right vblvlmult-out ;=9675,25,100,0
ADD vbadl vblvl-out phadl-out ;=9825,25,100,0
ADD vbadr vblvr-out phadr-out ;=9975,25,100,0
MULTIKNOB kogn "out gain : %3.0f dB*" 1 -20 12 1 0 11 M_tweaks-out 0 0 -1 -1 -4 -2 -5 -7 1 0 -3 ;=9975,150,100,0
GAIN ognl vbadl-out kogn-out ;=10125,25,100,0
GAIN ognr vbadr-out kogn-out ;=10275,25,100,0
MIX mix ognl-out freqshift-out 1 0.4 ;=10325,200,100,0
MIX mix3 ognr-out freqshift1-out 1 -.4 ;=10575,25,100,0
FREQSHIFT freqshift mix-out 1.4 ;=10650,250,100,0
FREQSHIFT freqshift1 mix3-out -1.4 ;=10425,500,100,0

[IDeangelis]

 Are you able to get the 7600 to load the original algorithm I sent you?

If the answer is yes, then all modules are ok for thr H7600.

Here I have tried to paste my sigfile at the end of MVR#3 and get the same errors as you get. It may well be a too large sigfile after the added fx, as suggested in my previous email.

Cut something you don't use…or use both DSPs for 2 MVR in series.

Can't load your pasted code…too much.

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[nickrose]

The "invalid short immediate" error you mention is an internal error that is not normally seen.

In this case, you can probably fix it by moving the two FREQSHIFT modules towards the start of the file. 

[J20056]

How can I move them to the beginning of the file and still have the effect be applied after all the effects of rack#3?
I know how to use VSigfile in text mode, but I don't know how to do that?

[J20056]

Italo,

I could definitely load your module just fine, like it quite a bit indeed.
Does the H7600 have two processors, and if yes, how to use both in series?

[IDeangelis]

 Oooops!

Sorry, I had the impression you owned an H8000.

The H7600 has a single DSP.

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[IDeangelis]

 In text mode, highlight input 2 then click and move each module, releasing just after that input.

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[J20056]

I'm going to take out the reverb and the chorus. Is it fair to assume that the DSP power is used whether or not you use one of the VirtRacks algorithms? There are some ProTools plugins like Guitar Rig that do not use the CPU if you turn them off (without removing them from the Insert channel).
I think I'm going to assemble a module carefully by only taking the pieces that I need. It'll be a good learning curve anyways.

[IDeangelis]

 Have you treid moving those few modules (ring mod) at the beginning of the algorithm? That may work. I think that removing both chorus and reverb is too much. You shouldn't really need that.

DSP work in realtime. It's different from computers. If an algorithm is compiled, the unused fx still take resources as they exist. Same thing on a computer: the algorithm slot allocation has a fixed size for the plugin. If you don't use it, the CPU won't work…but if you use it and some parts of it are not, they still take up space that could hve been used for a better/larger version of the used fx.

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[J20056]

You guys f*****g rule!
I moved the two FREQSHIFT right below the header, and it compiled just fine.
More importantly, the tone is now really really close!!!
This is good, this is really good.

Thanks guys. I'm going to redesign the user interface to remove unwanted module controls and control wet-dry nicely, then I'll share the algorithm.

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