Power supply

[grozeil]

Hi to the Eventide team!
I've read a while ago somewhere on this forum that Voodoo Lab will build a power supply that owners of the Eventide stompboxes will be able to use. Have you got any news on that, a release date or any further information?

[noisethrills]

I've been using the voodoo lab pedal power 2 to power the Time factor for several months now with no problem. I realize it's supoosedly under powered for the Time Factor…..but no issues thus far w/gigs in the states and around the world.

[GtrWiz]

 I heard through the grapevine that the prototype is done, but no word on when it hits the streets…

[grozeil]

Voodoo Lab's just released a new power supply, the Power Versa. Is this that one we'll be able to use for our Factors?

[NicD]

As far as I know the Pedal Power Versa isn't available yet :-/

noisethrills:

I've been using the voodoo lab pedal power 2 to power the Time factor for several months now with no problem.

Which outputs on the PP2 are  you using ? Everything working normally ?

Also, a guy on the HRI board says he's powering his TF and MF with a T Rex Juicy Lucy, using the doubler to provide the pedals with 600mA@12VDC. Here's the thread: http://www.hugeracksinc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47755

 Looks pretty nice, but I wonder if there may be any problem with powering my TF with 12 VDC, while the tech specs and the wallwart say 9VDC.

Anyone from the Eventide staff care to confirm wether it's fine th use that ? If it's 100% safe, I'll gladly ditch the wallwart (it's currently secured below my Pedaltrain, but I'd prefer a "cleaner" solution), but I'd rather have your opinion on it first.

Thanks in advance.

Nic

[nickrose]

 We would not recommend the use of a higher supply voltage than 9V.

Higher voltages will increase internal power dissipation, and any peaks much above the normal could potentially (pun) cause damage.

In addition, the powerfail detection circuitry (used to save changes) is calibrated for use with the supplied power supply and may not work properly at other voltages.

Our problem with power supplies is that the unit was designed to use the supplied power supply. As your letter demonstrates, there are an endless number of alternative options, and we cannot rigorously test them all. We are looking at some of the more popular supplies and will report back in due course.

[jazzrio]

 Hi support

I must say that the power supply unit supplied in the package is too huge and way too heavy. I owned a modfactor and wanted to look for an alternative power supply unit. I have tried to use the 1spot power adapter by visual sound but the eventide modfactor seems to have a different adaptor pin head that the normal 9VDC pin for boss type of effects could not fit in. Kind of dissappointed.  hope you can advise on the type of pin heads

[cmatch]

The supplied Eventide TimeFactor PSU adaptor is unregulated, I measure 13.48 volts off load and 11.84 on load, so using a 12 volt regulated supply should not be a problem. Running a digital program, with no pedal or switches attached, a drop of 1.64 volts was measured on the Eventide PSU. At 1.2 amps the PSU is rated at 9 volts so approximately this gives an internal resistance of 7.5 ohms. Therefore this gives an approximate current draw of 218ma. To account for any peak current and full load requirements I would at least double this. I use a TREX ?Juicy Lucy? Fuel Tank (5 X 12 volt isolated) with two of the 300ma outputs coupled in parallel (The polarity needs to be reversed also) to give 600ma and this works fine. I gig in a professional function band.

This is for information only and if you choose to use a different PSU than the one supplied by Eventide it is at your own risk. I hope this helps and clears up some of the mystery, all best and good luck.

CM

[NicD]

 Quick update: the TF does indeed power up and function normally (even with a single switch attached) from one of the Line 6 outputs off a Pedal Power 2+ with DIP switch on, using one of the reversed polarity switches supplied.

[wes]

To further solidify what NicD said, The Line 6 modelers have the exact same V and mA ratings as the Eventide stompboxes. (9v, 1200mA, center+) Since the PP2+ has a specific option for powering the Line 6 modelers, there's no reason the PP2+ wouldn't work. In fact, I power an TF along with 7 other pedals from my PP2+ with no issues whatsoever. No need for a Versa, or ISO5.

Just make sure you use the red-tipped cable, so that the plug fits and the polarity gets reversed.

PS – Just for kicks, I tried powering my TF with the standard low-current 9v output from the PP2+ and even that works fine. But I still use the L6 setting, just cos I have no reason not to.

[thejay]

I have both the Mod and Time Factor pedals and soon adding the PitchFactor as well. I am hoping that Eventide comes up with a power supply that can handle all three!

[CIOKS power support]

Hello,

Regarding powering, all Eventide Factor pedals need a 9V DC regulated power supply to operate properly. All of them draw a current around 330-360mA.
A proper power supply for Eventide Factor pedals should be able to deliver a current of 400mA at stabilized and regulated 9V DC.

There are 3 popular dedicated power supplies for pedals on the market. These are the PP2+ from Voodoo Lab, BBE Supacharger and Mod-Tone Power Plant. None of these have outlets powerful enough to supply Eventide Factor pedals. Not even the new ISO-5 from VL. It has one 300mA section which is 100mA short.

Power requirements for pedals change and realizing that, we at CIOKS made three brand new products which form our professional range of dedicated power supplies for effect pedals. CIOKS DC10 is able to power three Eventide Factor pedals properly along with other standard 9V pedals. The AC10 can supply one along with a AC powered pedal at 9, 12 or 16V AC, also along with other standard 9V pedals. CIOKS TC10 power supply can power one Eventide Factor pedal along with 3 other mA-hungry pedals with a maximum current draw of 300mA and 4 standard 9V battery operated pedals. Please have a closer look at the specifications of these units on CIOKS web site.

If you have other questions regarding powering effect pedals, you’re more than welcome to e-mail me directly. I have more than 18 years experience in this field.

Best regards,
Poul Ciok
poul.ciok@cioks.com

[hywelg]

nickrose:

 We would not recommend the use of a higher supply voltage than 9V.

Then can you explain to me why your unit (s) put out 12.7volts. Both the ones I own do the same.

nickrose:

and we cannot rigorously test them all.

Seems like you haven't tested your own either.

[bhaberman]

Our input voltage can fluctuate from 7.5VDC to 12VDC if you can guarantee a minimum current of 500mA. The wallwart we ship with the product allows the AC voltage on the wallwart input to fluctuate +/- 10% and easily meet these requirements.

[nickrose]

hywelg:

Then can you explain to me why your unit (s) put out 12.7volts. Both the ones I own do the same.

These are nominal values, depending on AC power line voltage and load. You do not describe your measurement conditions, so it is hard to comment.

Essentially, you need a minimum PEAK voltage at full load of about 7.5V, and a maximum PEAK voltage under any circumstances of about 15V. You need some expertise and equipment to make these kinds of measurements.

Our power supplies are somewhat over-rated to make sure they function adequately at all times – you will note that while we get complaints about the size, we get ZERO complaints about function – this is important to us.

[forgivenick]

This is a shot in the dark and I expect that it won't work, but I forgot my Timefactor's PSupply today and really want to upgrade it to V3 beta software.

I have a Digitech power supply (PS0913B-120) that reads

OUTPUT: 9V AC1300mA

The Timefactor should only be run off a DC power supply right?

Thanks for any help you can give!

[CIOKS power support]

Hi,

This is a NO go! You need a DC supply at either 9 or 12V.

Regards,

Poul Ciok

[tamburash007]

can i say this outloud?

eventide stompboxes do not need regulated power supply.

i had sucess with both regulated and unregulated power supply.

an ordinary 20$ made in china power supply will work if needed!

300mA 9VDC is enough, 400mA to be safe. i run my timefactor with midi, so no problem there either.

so this is actually good news, because you really don`t need to worry about powering your eventide unit:)

[Marky944]

Hi there. Where can I get one in the UK please?

Thanks

Mark

[Titch]

Well mine doesn't work here in the Uk when running on generators at certain events. Now som eof these generators are obviously a bit "dodgy" but many ar eproperly rated and installed and still I get problems. Running a single pitchfactor – the display just starts flashing – sometimes kicks in Ok other times blows out – absolute shite….. 🙂

[underwoodblog]

I suggest a power conditioner for all your gear, when running on generator!

[Titch]

OK I have now found a fix …

Forget all that concern over regulated (non) power supplies, wall warts or power conditioning for generators or concerns over voltage drops. I have just purchased one of these:

It's a 12Ah batterry power pack designed for charging mobile devices. It has 3 selectable voltage outputs 5v, 9v, 12v so running at 9v it will keep my single Pitchfactor going for 24 Hours. It can supply up to 2Amp so should run up to four of these power hungry stomp boxes for about 6 hours in theory. I used it last night – all good and the power meter didn't drop a single level over 3 hours.

Best of all it cost just over £40 and can be used to recharge your phone/ipad….etc if needed. feels pretty sturdy although I hide it under my monitor.

What's not to like?

[Titch]

Titch wrote:

OK I have now found a fix …

Forget all that concern over regulated (non) power supplies, wall warts or power conditioning for generators or concerns over voltage drops. I have just purchased one of these:

It’s a 12Ah batterry power pack designed for charging mobile devices. It has 3 selectable voltage outputs 5v, 9v, 12v so running at 9v it will keep my single Pitchfactor going for 24 Hours. It can supply up to 2Amp so should run up to four of these power hungry stomp boxes for about 6 hours in theory. I used it last night – all good and the power meter didn’t drop a single level over 3 hours.

Best of all it cost just over £40 and can be used to recharge your phone/ipad….etc if needed. feels pretty sturdy although I hide it under my monitor.

What’s not to like?

Now also use a Voodoo Labs pedal power digital – 4 x isolated 400mA outputs

[nickrose]

tamburash007:

eventide stompboxes do not need regulated power supply.

Careful now. Eventide products have their own internal regulation, so they do not require external regulation. The issue is that an unregulated supply has a largely undefined output voltage. Depending on the product, anything over about 16v may cause damage. A 12v unregulated unit can exceed this under some circumstances. Bad thing ! For this reason, we and Lord Cooks recommend the use of regulated supplies.

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